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[HandyAndy]

Looking to purchase a 12gauge O/U and found 2 interesting ones with a wide price difference. Browning Cynergy Feather and the Savage Milano. I have not ruled out any make or model in my search. This will be an all around gun for any type of bird as well as occasional clay ones. Has any one got personal experience with either of these two models?
Thanks

 

[browninggold]

The Savage can't even compete with the Browning Cynergy. The Browning is better engineered, much better built, and way more reliable. The Milano was a quick attempt by Savage to get into the then-hot O/U market. There's also a Browning Cynergy Classic model, if the standard Cynergy is a little to modern looking for your tastes.
BTW, I shoot a Browning 525 myself and love it. Great gun. You can still get that model in a feather version as well. You can't beat a Browning O/U for the money.

 

[sheephunter]

Cynergy is an awesome gun....hard to compare much against it.

If you are looking for something lower priced, I've got a real love for the Ruger Red Label. Find a synthetic one and really piss some people on here off...lol

That's my next O/U

 

[HandyAndy]

The problem I'm having with selection is that no store so far has what I want to look at. All are willing to order with a deposit and a firm deal... Like buying a pig in a poke. The general advice about taking your time and trying it out for feel is a good one, but where do you go for a good assortment?
Thanks for your time.

 

[Fassteel]

Ruger

Cynergy is an awesome gun....hard to compare much against it.

If you are looking for something lower priced, I've got a real love for the Ruger Red Label. Find a synthetic one and really piss some people on here off...lol

That's my next O/U

T J

I shot one of these at a 5 stand once, kicked the #### out of me with target ammo, just wasn't a good fit, hope you have a better experience. FS

 

[Fassteel]

Cyn vs Sav

Andy have you ever driven a volkswagen beetle and a caddillac in the same day?.
If you are not really all that interested in shooting any of the clay target games on a regular basis, then I suggest you go with the Savage. It is a perfectly serviceable hunting shotgun, a little heavy for my liking, but if you are using it for some waterfowl action that extra weight will help with recoil absorption.
For the money they are well built. FS

 

[sheephunter]

T J

I shot one of these at a 5 stand once, kicked the s**t out of me with target ammo, just wasn't a good fit, hope you have a better experience. FS

Ya, I've shot both a fair bit and they seemed to fit me like a glove. Shot the heck out of some prairie chickens with a Red Label a couple years ago and have been and fan ever since but your experience does show how important it is to take any gun for a test drive. Shot the Cynergy at SHOT Show last year and went 20/20....sadly they wouldn't let me walk out with it!

Who knew synthetic O/U's could be so functional yet so pretty.....

 

[Covey Ridge]

Browning Cynergy Feather and the Savage Milano.

Owned lots of Brownings and a Cynergy Euro Sport Synthetic. Great guns. The Savage Milano is not anyways near the same class. My first impression, both look and feel is Stoeger Gauic( I would have to be paid to try one
The red label is an OK gun, but the synthetic stock sure is not for everyone. My euro sport went down the road not because of the quality, but because the synthetic stock was not for me.

 

[sheephunter]

The red label is an OK gun, but the synthetic stock sure is not for everyone

For those that don't appreciate the finer things in life....they do offer i t with a wood stock as well.........great O/U for the money from my experience.

 

[hunterhenderson]

The Savage can't even compete with the Browning Cynergy. The Browning is better engineered, much better built, and way more reliable. The Milano was a quick attempt by Savage to get into the then-hot O/U market. There's also a Browning Cynergy Classic model, if the standard Cynergy is a little to modern looking for your tastes.
BTW, I shoot a Browning 525 myself and love it. Great gun. You can still get that model in a feather version as well. You can't beat a Browning O/U for the money.

read this for a neat comparision to another nice browning

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100181&highlight=milano

 

[mikeyb]

The Cynergy is amazing. I want one in a very bad way. If the modern, aggressive styling appeals to you then I would highly suggest seeing if anyone nearby has one you can try. Good recoil distribution and a wonderful action with extremely crisp trigger, swings smooth and fast, as good as any Browning I've ever swung.

 

[Grouser]

cyn/sav

The Savage can't even compete with the Browning Cynergy. The Browning is better engineered, much better built, and way more reliable. The Milano was a quick attempt by Savage to get into the then-hot O/U market. There's also a Browning Cynergy Classic model, if the standard Cynergy is a little to modern looking for your tastes.
BTW, I shoot a Browning 525 myself and love it. Great gun. You can still get that model in a feather version as well. You can't beat a Browning O/U for the money.

Browning better engineered? Don't think so. While Browning is surely a workhorse and super reliable guns, they are not the "be all end all" of shotguns. Before I go any farther, you should buy the the gun that fits you best.
Browning is the consumate copier of the shotgun world and one would be hard pressed to find a modern gun with the Browning name on it. The Cynegy is a copy type of the Fabarm Axis that was introduced 5 years ahead of the Browning version & this year The introduced a stylized semi auto (Maxus) that internally is very similar to Fabarm Semi's.
The Savage Milano, I have read, is made by Isidore Rizzini (FAIR) . A well respected Italian gunmaker who also produce Verona & Cortona for the US market. I own several several FAIR guns and feel the surpass Browning for fit, finish overall quality. The Milano is an entry level gun very similar to the Premier FAIR without the bells and whistles of the Browning.
Again your choice of shotgun should hinge on two things -- fit & fit. First is how the particular fits you and then how it fits your budget. Both of these guns are well engineered and both will give you years of reliable shooting.
Cheers/Luck!

 

[browninggold]

... Browning version & this year The introduced a stylized semi auto (Maxus) that internally is very similar to Fabarm Semi's.

Not quite. Look a little closer and you'll see the Maxus is essentially an updated Gold, and the Gold has been around since 1994. The Maxus reciever is not really new either. It is basically the Gold Evolve receiver with a few cosmetic touch ups. As for the internals, the valve is a little different, but most of the insides can definately be traced back to the original Browning Gold design. Definately not a copy.

 

[Win/64]

Browning better engineered? Don't think so. While Browning is surely a workhorse and super reliable guns, they are not the "be all end all" of shotguns. Before I go any farther, you should buy the the gun that fits you best.
Browning is the consumate copier of the shotgun world and one would be hard pressed to find a modern gun with the Browning name on it. The Cynegy is a copy type of the Fabarm Axis that was introduced 5 years ahead of the Browning version & this year The introduced a stylized semi auto (Maxus) that internally is very similar to Fabarm Semi's.
The Savage Milano, I have read, is made by Isidore Rizzini (FAIR) . A well respected Italian gunmaker who also produce Verona & Cortona for the US market. I own several several FAIR guns and feel the surpass Browning for fit, finish overall quality. The Milano is an entry level gun very similar to the Premier FAIR without the bells and whistles of the Browning.
Again your choice of shotgun should hinge on two things -- fit & fit. First is how the particular fits you and then how it fits your budget. Both of these guns are well engineered and both will give you years of reliable shooting.
Cheers/Luck!

As far as the Browning Cynergy being a "workhorse" I think it hasn't been around long enough to have that designation. The one I tried (Trap Combo) felt cheap and was very hard to open. I really think Browning blew it with this design.

 

[Grouser]

As far as the Browning Cynergy being a "workhorse" I think it hasn't been around long enough to have that designation. The one I tried (Trap Combo) felt cheap and was very hard to open. I really think Browning blew it with this design.

I was referring to Browning o/u guns in genereal -- as to the Cynegery there has been a lot of prpblems around our club -- chached fore stock, bottom ejectors and fbottom barrel failing to fire (fireing pins?). As to the Maxus very similar internals to the new Fabarms from 2007 on.

 

[Win/64]

I was referring to Browning o/u guns in genereal -- as to the Cynegery there has been a lot of prpblems around our club -- chached fore stock, bottom ejectors and fbottom barrel failing to fire (fireing pins?). As to the Maxus very similar internals to the new Fabarms from 2007 on.

I go to a lot of shoots in Southern On. Very rarely do I ever see anyone shooting a Cynergy. Where I do see them is sitting on dealers shelves. The majority of them have been there a while.

 

[browninggold]

I go to a lot of shoots in Southern On. Very rarely do I ever see anyone shooting a Cynergy. Where I do see them is sitting on dealers shelves. The majority of them have been there a while.

It's funny you said this, cause I was thinking the same thing. I see them on shelves all the time, rarely selling. I called Gobles in London a few weeks ago asking about one and he said they sell fast when they get them in, and the shooting community really likes them. And yet, they always seem to have the same ones sitting unsold? I only recently saw one at a local range (Cynergy Classic Trap Combo) and although he said he really likes it, it's up for sale (he's got $$ to play with though so all he does is buy a gun, try it out for a bit, then sell it again for something else). I must admit though, the looks of the Cynergy Classic Field is growning on me.

 

[beretta boy]

The problem I'm having with selection is that no store so far has what I want to look at.

You're going to spenda couple of grand ? ... I'd get in the car and make the drive down to at least as far as Orillia. It's worth it ... I used to do the same going down to Finlay, Ohio to buy guns. So it's a long day and a lot of K's, ( or you could make a weekend of it ... and still be ahead) but a couple of G's is still a couple of G's !

Unless you really like the "styling" of the Cynergy, I'd encourage you to look at either a 625 or XS in the model/gauge/barrel length you prefer.

 

[redleg]

The Fabarm Elos now offers another good quality Italian made gun for a pretty reasonable price.

 

[hunterhenderson]

The Savage can't even compete with the Browning Cynergy. The Browning is better engineered, much better built, and way more reliable. The Milano was a quick attempt by Savage to get into the then-hot O/U market. There's also a Browning Cynergy Classic model, if the standard Cynergy is a little to modern looking for your tastes.
BTW, I shoot a Browning 525 myself and love it. Great gun. You can still get that model in a feather version as well. You can't beat a Browning O/U for the money.

LOVE BROWNINGS BUT YOU BETTER CHECK YOUR INFO, A MILANO IS AN AGE OLD ITALIAN O/U THAT IS EXCELLENT QUALITY with a steller reputation for quality, F.A.I.R. manf them and agreed to make it to savage specs and itailian craftsmanship, i own both and prefer the milano hands down.I think you are getting mixed uop with the turkish savage 512........junk in every respect

HH