Who makes this ammo?

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Was hammering away at the *mistake* jar with the bullet puller tonight when I found these. Must have picked them up at the range as I don't own a 9mm. They are berdan primed and if you look at the inverted bullet in the second case you will see they are plated lead.

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Anybody?
 
Now that IS weird; I've seen headstamps like that on WW2-era Canadian-production 9mm and on surplus Chinese-production ammo, but they were both standard FMJ-bulleted loads. It looks like someone pulled the original bullets on these, then reloaded them with a new charge of powder and a new TMJ, but that didn't make the primers any easier to pop ;-) The round on the right has a 3-point primer crimp, and it LOOKS like the round on the left has a half-assed ring crimp or mark left by someone trying to swage out the existing crimp, but I couldn't say for sure without putting it under a microscope.
 
you are a wealth of knowledge, how the hell could you possibly know that???
Guess that is why you do what you do...
 
South African, made by PMP in Pretoria in the early 70s. The two styles of crimp, stake and ring are common.
I may well be wrong, but I would hazard a guess that it was intended for SMG use, and thus the primers may have been a little harder, but that is just a guess.
 
Dosing said:
South African, made by PMP in Pretoria in the early 70s. The two styles of crimp, stake and ring are common.
I may well be wrong, but I would hazard a guess that it was intended for SMG use, and thus the primers may have been a little harder, but that is just a guess.
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If it is a hard primer for SMG use, it might fire if you run it through the gun again.
If it does fire, at least you know you have hard primers, not duds.
 
Dosing said:
South African, made by PMP in Pretoria in the early 70s. The two styles of crimp, stake and ring are common.
I may well be wrong, but I would hazard a guess that it was intended for SMG use, and thus the primers may have been a little harder, but that is just a guess.
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... and South Africa is a big producer of TMJ bullets (Frontier bullets come from here), so it would re-inforce the theory of South African cartridges.
 
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