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Hey fellas.

loving the big hole in the end of the Ruger barrel again an really want to use it for a Stag this next few hunts.

I had been Dabbling in the Longer Range of deer hunting (300-400) with a more suited and setup .270 Winchester, and in the mean time I would tote the T3 .308 around for Stalking, an if the odd longer shot arose -300m I could take it under perfect conditions..

I hadn't really used the Whelen since hunting over the Gundog, Cooper. he passed a few years ago now and I feel it is time to put another Big one on the Wall, with the Whelen power.


Since Downgrading stocks to the Ramline, the rifle must be sitting better and is Shooting better groups with the Hornady 250gr SP rounds as opposed to the Woodleigh RN 225, Apart from the Action bolts coming loose since first instalment I think it is now ready to go and is Sighted in ready to hunt.

I ended up with the Rifle shooting about an inch above line of sight at 100m.


I vaguely remember early on I had the rifle around 1 inch high, but then for a period I had it sitting about almost 2 inches high to utilise the trajectory a bit further if I had too across gulley..
I don't think i'll be shooting at 250m very often with it.. So does the 1 inch high work in the .35 Whelen and 250gr? or would you put it up a bit higher?

Or How many of you guys Hunt with a Rifle that is Zeroed at 100m?? and how do you go out slightly longer ranges if shots arise?

Thank you

WL
 
I have zero experience with a 35 Whelen though a good friend who happens to be an exceptional gunsmith swears by them and it is the only calibre he personally uses for all his big game hunting. I shoot a Winchester in .348 calibre as it is all I own aside from 22-250 and I with factory 200 grain silvertips I am sighted in 3" high at 100 to allow for a 200 zero. I am good to 200 yards that way.
 
I zero all my rifles right on at 100 yards with the exception of my rimfires and double of course. I mark clear bright 3" squares on a 2'x2' piece of cardboard. Move them 50 yards back and fire and repeat until I can't hit the 3" square. I memorize the hold over at that magnification or if my scope has mil dots I use that as a reference for hold over. I don't have a Whelen yet but it worked with 200 grs from a30/06 quite well to 300 yards. I kept a 5" 5 shot group with just aiming high.
 
I've been using the 250 Hornady's in the 35 Whelen for the past 30 years or so.

I don't believe I've ever taken a moose past 150 yards, most in the 50 - 100 yard range.

I use 1.25" high at 100 yds (for a 150 yard "zero") ... gives a "point blank" hold out to a little more than
175 yards where bullet path is no more than 1.5" below point of aim nor more than 1.25" above point of aim.
Works for me.


is about 3" low at 200 yards.
 
beretta boy said:
I've been using the 250 Hornady's in the 35 Whelen for the past 30 years or so.

I don't believe I've ever taken a moose past 150 yards, most in the 50 - 100 yard range.

I use 1.25" high at 100 yds (for a 150 yard "zero") ... gives a "point blank" hold out to a little more than
175 yards where bullet path is no more than 1.5" below point of aim nor more than 1.25" above point of aim.
Works for me.


is about 3" low at 200 yards.
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This is very similar to how i believe mine is running!

Without the Chrono i know its just guessing but im calling 2400 for my load and factoring in brl length charge rtc.

I will just have to hold out on the across gulleys an try stalk in to 200 or less. Which il use this rifle just on such hunts as it is my heaviest an not 1 to cart all week.
 
I wouldn't sight a big game rifle used in the bush to shoot more than about 2" high at mid point trajectory. If you need to thread a fine shot through a hole in the bush you don't want a bullet diverging more than that from line of sight. I have used my Whelens with 250's for more than a dozen big critters, your plan will work if you hit them where it counts.
 
Have usually zeroed an inch high at 100 yds. Just zeroed my .243 tonight with 70 gr sierra hp's, that's a smidgin under the bull at 200.
The only gun I go higher with is my 9.3x62, it's zeroed at 200 which I think is almost 3" high at 100. It depends on where and what you are hunting. My 9.3 is for moose and elk, so 2" up or down won't make as much difference as it would on a deer. You gotta shoot at 50,100,150,etc and actually see where you're shooting. I don't think most hunters shoot nearly enough.
 
migrant hunter said:
Have usually zeroed an inch high at 100 yds. Just zeroed my .243 tonight with 70 gr sierra hp's, that's a smidgin under the bull at 200.
The only gun I go higher with is my 9.3x62, it's zeroed at 200 which I think is almost 3" high at 100. It depends on where and what you are hunting. My 9.3 is for moose and elk, so 2" up or down won't make as much difference as it would on a deer. You gotta shoot at 50,100,150,etc and actually see where you're shooting. I don't think most hunters shoot nearly enough.
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thanks mate.

I agree, Though I have practise to 400m, 200m poi and 300m poi many times with the .270winchester, which is the one to extend the range without hesistation.. I use the Hold over method on that Gun.

The Whelen is different..

I guess I am having trouble with my decision for the inch high poi. Because I know how Rainbow the Whelens trajectory particularly with 250gr bullets, and as I mentioned Previously I would try gain the most out of it for Every day hunting, I just feel as though I might be "wasting" some of the Whelen by doing so... but I really don't see me setting up with the Ruger for a shot PAST 250m at all, so

I guess i'll see how I go with it and go from there after a bit of Winter hunting!


I carted it Today, I carry both the .270w and the .35wh in the Truck, carry one depending on what bush im hunting, yesterday took the .270 and had deer 6m other side of blackberry from me, ended up spooking an then being able to see the Stag under the dogwood scrub and therefore did not point the .270 at it. A- deflection and B- (as above mentioned) with the trajectory and line of sight V bullet path, it was certain to hit Scrub. so after wishing I had the Whelen, I took the Whelen today and of course the Deers wer 400m away LOL across canyon.

thems huntin

WL
 
happy with the dicision so far, had animals in real close today, an vision no further than 100m at any time.
loved it. was waiting for a big bone critter

WL
 
How many of you guys Hunt with a Rifle that is Zeroed at 100m??


I enjoy most of my hunting with iron sight milsurps in a forest area where it is unlikely to get anymore than a 150 yard max shot. A bit high at a 100 yards puts me a bit low at 150 yards. Dead deer no matter which way you slice it. I've taken many animals at less than 50 yards.
 
I don't sight in my rifles for short range, but I do confirm my short range point of impact, particularly I want to know the range at which the bullet first crosses the line of sight, and I know that at any range closer, a scope sighted hunting rifle will never be more than 1.5" low. I also know that between the range that my bullet first crosses the line of sight, and 100 yards, my point of impact will never be more than 2" high. Between 100 and 200 yards, the bullet will never be more than 2" high, and will never be low. To my way of thinking, its easier to deal with bullet drops beyond 200 yards than it is to deal with a high point of impact at near ranges, so I dislike 3"+ zeros at 100.
 
The DNR free ranges are only 100y. Hunter sight in when they do it at ranges they only setup at 100y. So pretty much alot of hunter here only by choice sight in 100y.
 
I do all sorts of things, partly because I'll try anything once and partly because under some circumstances one method might seem a little more appropriate than another. My turret equipped scopes are usually zeroed at 100 yards, but seldom carried there. My subtention reticles (B&C mostly) are sighted for whatever distance makes it work; which is 200 for most cartridges and 300 for a few. If a bit of tweaking makes the two curves over-lap better than the tweaks will be made. The .458 works with the B&C reticle when its sighted for 150 yards and I use the extra cross hairs for every 50 from there. 200 yard sight-ins do make shooting coyotes with a big game rifle easier than 300 but I've been sighting in Duplex scopes 3 high for too many decades to think that it won't work on big game for another couple years. My coyote rifles are sighted for 200. For those calibers that 3 high gives a 300ish MPBR the thick post (Infinity pin) makes a great 400 yard reference. This is at max power with a Leupold Duplex, but the dimensions are widely copied. Come to think of it, the 3 MOA spacing works well with many rifles sighted in at 200 too, it becomes a 300 yard post instead.

Iron sights I'll sight in so the bullet hits the top of the bead at 100. That seems to drop them into the middle of the bead at 200 but that varies a bit with bead size, barrel length and shooter size. My .458s bead covers 16 inches at 200 yards so it is even a crude range-finder.
 
Boomer said:
. Between 100 and 200 yards, the bullet will never be more than 2" high, and will never be low. To my way of thinking, its easier to deal with bullet drops beyond 200 yards than it is to deal with a high point of impact at near ranges, so I dislike 3"+ zeros at 100.
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Yeah Boomer, I like this.

esp while keeping on topic regarding the short range scenario

WL
 
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