Who wants a 223 browning bar?

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Thought I would ask the question. Seems odd to me that there are not many options for a good 223 semi auto non AR, that won't break the bank. I scoured the net, and see others, (mainly in the US) are asking the same question. I just want to how many others are like me. A browning bar 223 22" tube, would be a nice accurate fun dog gun. I know of the beneli, and the ruger. Neither have shown Browning BAR accuracy, and even if they did I think more hunting style offerings are needed. I think Browning is missing the boat here, in a big way.

If you agree or disagree, that the semi auto hunting 223, is grossly under represented please post a comment.
 
Only options I have seen are the ruger, the beneli and a kel tec. Would be nice to have another option but do you really think a browning wouldn't break the bank? Would probably be the most expensive one of them all.
 
At the price of the ruger, and beneli, then looking at the price of other BAR offerings I don't think it should. I think that if browning and others entered the 223 semi market, beneli, and ruger would need to do some price adjusting, and maybe accuracy improvements. Just saying.
 
Accuracy issues will never be addressed. Semi auto .223's were never meant to be tack drivers. If you want to drop a yote at 200yards you want a bolt anyway. But a fun semi auto plinker that's not a .22 or a $hit chiappa m9 and you got something interesting. Just my thoughts on it.
 
BAR action is too long for .223 otherwise they would make one.
There are a few.....Keltec which I wouldn't buy, older Armalite 180B would be nice, and the ATR rifle looks sweet, the Chilean SIGS are nice,
 
Least accurate rifle I have ever owned or seen shot was a BAR short trac in .243.

Never again with a Browning product. Browning USA said they only guarantee 5" @ 100yds.
I said I have a .375 H&H A Bolt way better than that, he says "well you got a good one then."
 
Interesting feed back. A guy I know plinks, and hunts yotes with both a beneli 223, and a bar 243. He said the bar is much more accurate, with good ammo, but prefers the ammo price of the 223. i still believe that many people would buy them, if decently priced, (and half a--ed accurate) including some who would otherwise buy an AR. Maybe I will need to look at an AR, but hope not to.

skypilot, that is good ol typical arms manufacturer arrogance. Many do shoot well, but they could care a less if yours does.
 
Browning builds guns for the largest market and that is the US. Why would they put out something to compete with the AR for a country that has unrestricted access to AR's? It's only attractive to us Canucks because it would be non-restricted, but we are the red haired step child as far as firearm markets go,

Patrick
 
Personally I wouldn't because I don't care for centrefire semis, I'm not hunting waterfowl with them, nor defending my homeland. But I know many who would love a BAR in 223, 222, or 222 Magnum.

I'll stick with bolt actions, levers, singles, maybe even a Remington pump, but no need for a semi.

Don't mistake my preference for a belief. Everyone in Canada deserves the right to own and use any and all firearms for whatever purpose they like, not including harming others.
 
I'd say go right to .22-250. Moa should be achievable no problem . Actually a smart move for browning as I don't think they are into the ar market. They would clean up for canadian hunters and usa guys that aren't into black rifles. .223 or .22 250 semi in a classic looking configuration would definitely be a niche all to themselves.
 
I think much of the desire for the 223, over a 22-250, would be for bulk ammo prices and some fun plinking etc. I do know some like semi's if multiple yotes, are in range, I am one of them.

Patrick, I respectfully disagree with your analogy. Both ruger and beneli sell right into that market, I think do very well, and both charge a premium for what they are selling. Based on my reading which isn't a end all be all, there are many down there that want the same thing. I think the market would be world wide.
 
I agree that tight groups are desirable. There are however many bolts that don't do better than 2 moa. Myself I feel fortunate, I have a 77 vintage, ruger 06, that shoots factory blue box federal, and nosler accubonds at under an inch, when I'm doing my end. I am also very lucky to have found a crazy good deal on an HS precision phl, 300wsm that can shoot ragged holes here and there with factory ammo. The point is that many semi's also shoot very well I know and have seen it. 2 moa, at 100 is 6 inches at 300. Even with factory ammo just about any gun can tighten up the groups by 1/3 with a bit of thought. There is a place for non ar semi autos in 223. Just my opinion.
 
Would love to see a 1.5 MOA-ish semi auto hunting rifle in .223 Rem personally. Especially a simple, light weight, sleek design with a good set of low profile irons on it with a long sight radius for use with irons or a scope or both.
If it came in at under $800 I would be on it like a fly on s**t.

An actual .223 semi auto hunting rifle though. Not one called a "hunter" that's actually just a $5000 non restricted tactical AR knock off.

Probably never see it though and I understand the reason; Canada is tiny and our industry and economy is a joke these days. In the USA they can hunt with AR's so there is zero need for a new design on the market for a semi auto .223 hunting rifle hence why we'll never see one up here. Any rifle built from scratch along those lines in Canada would cost upwards of $2-$3K for sure and would never survive.
 
Both the ruger mini, and beneli mr1, are and have done very well in the US, despite there less than acceptable accuracy, or looks. Even down there many people do not want ar's for hunting. The hunting platform gives people options. I know many ar's are non restricted and legal for hunting, but also know that the authorities, will sometimes look a lot closer, and hold up the fun when they encounter them in the field. The browning bar could offer, a great looking semi, and I think better accuracy. Thanks for the impute, the comments are interesting, maybe an mr1 with a bit of accuracy help may be my non ar, kind of ar looking, but ugly gun option. The beneli seems to be at least consistent, where the mini seems to be hit or miss, with many more in the miss category. I was surprised that those 2 were the only readily available, overly expensive, but don't quite break the bank, non ar options.
 
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