Who would you choose to rebarrel a Win 70 sporter?

Is the one you are so loyal to the very first one you tried? That would be pretty lucky.

I hear you, but even if previous work has left you satisfied, I don't see a logical counterpoint to "there might be better out there" and asking.

I don't see how its a bad thing in ANY industry to ask if someone else can do the job as well or better, for the same or less money. Saving money has become a bad thing? If one doesn't want to be somewhat competitive, perhaps they should get that machinist job. I wouldn't think ill of them.

And honestly if you (or someone else) is getting better service than I would from your chosen gunsmith, if someone else will do the same job a couple bucks cheaper...sure. I don't have that relationship that you forged with them through overpaying yet.
 
Joel, the reason I replied in the first place to your thread is I remember about a year ago when, just like now, you were asking for recommendations for a gunsmith to install scope mounts on a hunting rifle.

Here you are, a year later, once again asking for recommendations for a gunsmith, for what is a pretty basic gunsmithing job. Who did you use last year for the sight job that charged you too much or whose work wasn't of acceptable standard? You got some pretty reputable recommendations as best I recall.

You've been on Gunputz for 15 years, thousands of posts, probably a few guns have gone through your hands, I seem to recall you mentioning you had some involvement in competitive shooting as well. If so, there's a crowd that makes a lot of use of gunsmiths it's competitive shooters; the guys in the club you shot with must have had some opinions on which gunsmiths did competition level gunsmithing.

And despite all that, 15+ years here on Gunputz, either middle aged by now or approaching it (unless you joined here right after becoming old enough to own firearms), you're still asking every year what gunsmith you should give your work to. And once again: right before hunting season. Not really the time most sensible long time gun owners would choose to start trying to find a gunsmith to do work for them other than an unexpected emergency repair.

You should think about that for a few days. Or weeks. Or months. At least a little bit before next year when you might be, once again, asking for a gunsmith recommendation for a basic gunsmithing job like sights or barrel installation.
 
And to your points:

Is the one you are so loyal to the very first one you tried? That would be pretty lucky.

No, not that lucky. First trips to gunsmiths when I was a kid ended up with mediocre results. Chose to spend the money on an overnight trip to a city that had a gunsmith I ended up with referrals to, along with being told it would cost me a bit more than I'd be spending locally. For rifles and shotguns, same gunsmith today, decades later, finishing my latest rifle.

May well be better gunsmiths/rifle builders out there, logic says that's probably true, but if so, I haven't been suffering from the difference. And when a job hasn't worked out as it should have, that gunsmith has been more interested in correcting the work than I have been. To the point he's gone well beyond what the basic fix would have been. At his cost, not mine, despite the fact I'm not even remotely close to being one of the guys who gives him a lot of spendy work on a regular basis. There's value in that.

What's really cool is that - unlike you - every year since he first did work for me, I haven't had to start asking which gunsmith I should use this year. Right before hunting season, of course.

I think there's value in that as well, which goes well beyond gunsmith-hopping, in hopes of saving a dollar or two on the next job.

You see, even though I was just a barely dry behind the years kid back then buying guns as fast as I could afford them, I learned. Saved me 40 years of looking for my next gunsmith. There's value in that as well.

I don't see how its a bad thing in ANY industry to ask if someone else can do the job as well or better, for the same or less money. Saving money has become a bad thing? If one doesn't want to be somewhat competitive, perhaps they should get that machinist job. I wouldn't think ill of them.

As previously posted, if the last work you had done with that job last year didn't meet the standards you expected for what you paid, you should have had that sorted out with that gunsmith last year.

And if you decided the cost was too high/quality was too low after that job last year, you should have already finished looking around and narrowing down who you would use the next time you discovered you'd need gunsmithing work done.

Logically, you'd do that before you have a broken rifle or need a re-barrel job to start looking. You're looking for a re-barrel job, what? Once again, two months from the start of hunting season? You didn't decide you'd never, ever need a gunsmith again, did you? And suddenly, surprise of surprises, you need a basic re-barreling job and still don't have a gunsmith you trust to do that work after apparently being disappointed with the gunsmith who did your sight installation work last year?

BTW, who WAS that gunsmith that disappointed you last year after the recommendations you got for the work? Wasn't Gunco one of them? Too expensive so you went elsewhere? Inquiring minds want to know.

I can pretty much guarantee that as long as your loyalty is to regularly trying to save a buck, you'll always be able to find a gunsmith - or a mechanic, or some other trade - that will undercut the last guy by a few bucks. A lot will end up quoting you about the same or more, but you will probably be able to find one. Probably every single job. And what you get in return will probably keep you looking for that next cheaper, hopefully better for the same money, gunsmith or mechanic every job for the rest of your life.

I don't have that relationship that you forged with them through overpaying yet.

I'm mildly amused that you apparently have some Ouiji Board or crystal ball that lets you know what somebody else's gunsmith charged for their work over the last 40+ years, that allows you to proclaim that they're overpaying for their work.

Or alternately, that the gunsmith they use overcharges for their work and the quality of the finished work they put in their customers' hands.

For my part, I don't need a crystal ball or Ouiji Board to know that anybody who goes on a nickle and dime search to find the cheapest gunsmith year after year, or chase the possibility that another gunsmith can do just as good a job for less money the next time, is never going to have much of a relationship with any gunsmith they go door to door to in the future.

Of course, it's you and your rifles, not me and mine, so these are just my observations on where I think a lot of value lies with gun owners and how they get the work done on them that they can't do themselves.

Beyond that, what anybody decides is the best way to get work done on firearms really doesn't matter to me. I hear the kids behind the counter at the local Canadian Tires do a kick-ass job of installing scope mounts and scopes on rifles if you buy them there as well. And cheap! Can't beat it!

So, good luck with all that. I'm wondering what job you'll be asking for a gunsmith recommendation for next year.
 
You know, I had a much longer reply for all of this but I am going to leave it at that just seems to be strange and off-putting to me.

Cheers.
 
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You know, I had a much longer reply for all of this but I am going to leave it at that just seems to be strange and off-putting to me.

Oh, Gunputz emailed me your original post before you edited it; I was amused, not offended. After all, if your crystal ball and Ouiji Board had already told you I'm overcharged by my gunsmith, I'm not surprised what other personal stuff it told you about me.

Good choice deciding to do the edit, son. It wasn't only strange and off-putting, but the parts talking about your ### life would've been a slow pitch hanging over the middle of home plate for me to take a swing at in my response to your comments to me. Definitely home run material.

See you at your next annual appeal asking which gunsmith you should that year.
 
I have a number of Rem 260 rifles. [6.5x51]
I have a number of 6.5x55 rifles.
I have a number of 6.5-06 rifles. [6.5x63]

6.5-06 is better.
And it will fit in that rifle.
 
They all sound interesting to me, Clark! Especially that last one, since I've never had one. But 6.5x55 just feels like the balance point to me.

Course who knows, after trying the 06 wildcat I might just change my mind.

Either way, I ended up with a Win 70 push feed in 308, with iron sights, so I have to disappoint anyone who might be eagerly awaiting my next need for a gunsmith. Seems it won't be needed, knock on wood.

In terms of hunting distances and use, the two are close enough I'll just save the money.
 
No doubt there are a lot of good Gunsmiths out there, some will have more experience with the Work you need done then others. There are also quite a few Horror stories concerning quality of work and waiting times. Because of this I would try to find a Gunsmith within 2 hours drive away of my Home and deliver the Parts in person, have a Chat, look at his Shop and if you like what you see/hear give him the work. Dont chisel on his price if his rates are around $ 80.** Hr. If he cant promise to do the work within a for you reasonable time move on. Life is to short to expend to much Patience.


Cheers
 
No doubt there are a lot of good Gunsmiths out there, some will have more experience with the Work you need done then others. There are also quite a few Horror stories concerning quality of work and waiting times. Because of this I would try to find a Gunsmith within 2 hours drive away of my Home and deliver the Parts in person, have a Chat, look at his Shop and if you like what you see/hear give him the work. Dont chisel on his price if his rates are around $ 80.** Hr. If he cant promise to do the work within a for you reasonable time move on. Life is to short to expend to much Patience.


Cheers

Thanks for your take on it, Brassman66.
 
Look at this kind of Gunshop Service/Business which I really don't want to deal with but unfortunately don't had a Choice.

Ordered 2 Screws and paid for them via EMT (Cdn.$ 30.45) on August 19. 2021. The Screws with Tax are 13.45 Which includes Tax.
Shipping and handling from Montreal was extra at 17.00
That Business did not accepted my EMT Payment until 2 days ago.
No Communication whatsoever.
Screws are for a Ruger Super Blackhawk Hunter Revolver where the Ejector Housing Stud (Screw) sheered off.
Screws have still not arrived to this Day, nor did I receive a Tracking #.

The Business calls itself "Location Snap Shots inc." located in Montreal Quebec and is the Repair Facility for Ruger Firearms in Canada.

Darn it, I like Ruger Revolvers and thinking buying another one but this kind of Service sucks.

Waiiiiiiiiit-----------Huuuuuuuuuuuuh
Mail just arrived with the Screws--------------Haleluya, what could go wrong now ?

Cheers
 
I really do not know how tight or loose that the Win 70 push feed recessed bolt faces are made - but I do see that a 6.5x55 has a case head of 0.480" where as a 30-06 shows a case head of 0.473" (Nosler Reloading Guide 9). That's only .007" difference, but would suck if the M70 only had, say, .005" clearance for the 30-06? No idea if that dimensional difference makes a difference, but might make your idea into more than just to swap out a barrel?? Like I said, no clue what clearance is available in a push feed Winchester 70 - might be a none issue for your rifle.

Winchester chambered those push feed actions in 6.5x55 (I have one), and there was no change from the standard bolt face. - dan
 
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