Why are Remingtons hit and miss

I disagree quite strongly with gitrdun's comments:

I don't know if Remmy's are a hit and miss thing. But buying a gun from a gun show is. A lot of shot out stuff passes through the gun shows. IMHO, you should be particularly beware of the varminting calibers at shows. Besides, the used guns & stuff at shows are ridiculously overpriced to boot. I'd rather buy new or from one of the guys on the EE.

I would venture to say that in all of Canada there are really very few "shot out" guns that look like anything other than tired old firearms, so there is little chance of taking home something that looks new on the outside but is "shot out." (whatever that means...) At a gun show, where you can look at the piece, handle it, examine it in detail, etc, and have a look with a bore light at the bore, rifling, throat, etc etc, the buyer has an excellent chance to make an informed decision.

Perhaps in Southern Alberta gun shows they don't let you touch the guns, and the guys at the tables are flogging "shot-out" pieces...........but I surely doubt it. As for prices, I hear the same complaint about prices in the EE forums here. If you don't like a seller's price, and if the seller does not wish to haggle (MOST will at gun shows!), well by golly you do not have to buy his guns.

Sorry for the brief interruption...........

I like 700s too! Especially the Classics, which fit me better than the BDLs.......and my own expereince has been that most rifles are capable of better accuracy than most shooters can achieve.

Doug
 
Well said Doug!!!!


I have to agree 100% The best and most accurate firearms I've owned have been used guns. and if I recall correctly, one of em came from you ...
(maybe two now that I think of it)
 
DarrylDB I have to agree 100% The best and most accurate firearms I've owned have been used guns. [/QUOTE said:
Ha..me too, but then all my guns have been used :redface:

Rem make a fine & accurate rifle for sure :)
but ask some-one like BIGREDD that shoots them all on reg occasions & see what he says is most accurate out of the box in the modest price range :)
I think we all know what his answer will be & I will agree with it :)










TIKKA :)
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senior said:
Ha..me too, but then all my guns have been used :redface:

Rem make a fine & accurate rifle for sure :)
but ask some-one like BIGREDD that shoots them all on reg occasions & see what he says is most accurate out of the box in the modest price range :)
I think we all know what his answer will be & I will agree with it :)


TIKKA :)
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SAVAGE
 
Damn you, Frank, I just spit rye and ginger all over my keyboard........

Hey, how about those Remington 700s eh? Great guns!!!!

Doug
 
Doug, I just attended the Thorncliff Community hall gun show which is an annual event here in Calgary. Yes, they do give your the opportunity to touch the guns and inspect them closely. A lot of the people that I saw inspecting the firearms didn't show up with a bore light or a bore scope. Most and myself included (sheepishly admitted) wouldn't be able to see or recognize bore erosion. Here are a few of many examples of the overpricing that I speak of:
Stevens 200 in 30-06 with a horrible paint job and a Fitco scope = $580.00
Savage 99 in .300 Savage, beat to crap, cracked stock, rust = $350.00
Box of Winchester 170 gr. 30-30 = $17.00 (retails for $12.99)
QD swivels (used) in an assorted box of junk = $15.00
Knight & Hale coyote calling kit....are you sitting down? - $45.00 (retails for $28.99)
And this is just the stuff that I was interested in. The joke around here is that after the gun show, you head to either Wholesale or Russel's, they see the admission stamp on the back of your hand and ask "been to the gun show huh?"
 
Doug said:
Joe, he was not talking about lever guns, buddy.

Go back to your eBaying and find me that scale, OK!?!?

;-)

Doug
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Already got a good bid on one and watching another in case I get sniped on the one I'm bidding on.;)
 
Claybuster said:
Cut out the middle man and buy a Baikal. That's who is making the Spartan line for Remington. As I understand it there is an agreement between Baikal and Remington that the Spartan line won't be sold outside of the U.S.

Most of my experience with Remington is with their shotguns and it's not hard to see the evidence of manufacturing short cuts and quality control gaps in the more recently produced guns.

When I compare a 20 gauge Wingmaster made in the early 90's with my 28 Wingmaster made in 2003 there is a noticeable difference. On the newer gun there are far more machining marks inside the gun, the barrels and bores are not as nicely polished, more MIM parts and general fitting isn't as good. When I consider the 70's vintage Remington 870 Skeet gun that I once had and is now owned by a good friend the differences are even more pronounced.

This isn't however unique to Remington. A lot of the major manufacturers are cutting corners to meet the bottom line.
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Yup, they ain't the same shotgun, for sure.
As for the Baikal, I'm still waiting for the 45/70 to show up.
Cat
 
back to gitrdun, yes those ones are pretty brutal examples. But surely there must be good guys with good stuff and good prices as well????

I don't know anybody who would bring a bore scope to a gun show but lots of guys have bore lights, and (in this part of the country anyways) pretty well every exhibitor has at least one so his prospective buyers can see the bores on the guns he is offering for sale. If you don't have one, a maglite or similar small flashlight does a pretty decent job.

If you are new at this, perhaps you could ask somebody with whom you hunt or shoot to have you look down a few (dozen) barrels and see what they look like. First look at the muzzle and crown to see that there is no damage at the business end of the barrel - as a nick in the crown will probably affect accuracy in a negative way. Then peek down the bore - basically, if a bore is shiny and clean and the rifling looks sharp, with no dark spots or pitting or (horrors) bulges, or "frosting" - in other words if everything looks "normal" your bore is almost always just fine. There are exceptions, for example bench rest guns, but I don't think either of us are talking about that.

And how about those Remingtons, eh!!!

Doug
 
It's easy to blame the rifle . Trying different ammo at the range can take time. Finding a load that shoots well out of a rifle is half the fun. Then, when you find that load that shoots well, you buy another gun and do it all over again. I find that most remingtons can shoot well if the guy behind the rifle does his job with the correct load. Trick is? finding the ammo that shoots well with the rifle. Then again? some rifles shoot better all around than others.
 
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