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Why doesn't anyone talk about Sako TRG-22s anymore?
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I'm a big fan of the TRG's and also of the .308 win. In my opinion they both suffer from the same condition...they are both spectacularly mundane. They do everything so well, there is nothing left to discuss or debate.
I wouldn't call TRG's mundane.
They are a rare occurrence in non tactical shooters world.
In the tacticool world, they are less flashy compared to AI and Barret offerings. But the essential is there and more....
They all are half MOA rifles with common amo. With some load développement, most will reach 1/4 MOA.
They are a no brainer choice.
Open your wallet and don't worry about the outcome. You'll be satisfied.
Mush
They are a rare occurrence in non tactical shooters world.
In the tacticool world, they are less flashy compared to AI and Barret offerings. But the essential is there and more....
They all are half MOA rifles with common amo. With some load développement, most will reach 1/4 MOA.
They are a no brainer choice.
Open your wallet and don't worry about the outcome. You'll be satisfied.
Mush
You r heading the right direction buddy, most people think why pay for a TRG/AI/KAC when They can buy 5 Remington, 10 norinco , or 50 sks or whatever. Wise people rather have a smaller collection, but with quality stuff, quality always trumps quantity, always.
And even wiser people buy them used but mint to save an boatload of cash.
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wow. i shot my savage in 308 up to 600 last week....it was getting challenging...but 1.5 miles????? wow...guys at my work shoot the sr-25 and its nowhere as accurate as my savage 10 HS precision...we shot them side by side at the same range and using the factory federal gold medal 175 grainers......now im sure you can "shoot" them to 1.5 miles for maybe borderline effective suppressive fire(as ridicolous as that sounds)...seems you can afford all the rifles out there...buy an sr25, and show me that this rifle can shoot accurately over a mile.....then i will come out personally and buy that rifle off you for what you paid for it and at the same time buy all the ammo you shoot it with because i just witnessed a mirace...
Those guys down South do amazing thing with the GAP-10 at 1000 yards / 5 inchs groups, Youtube reference but as i spoked with my builder in the states, he will not be releasing it for delivery until it is a sub .5 MOA rifle on a regular basis with factory Match ammo, so the future is good at least on paper...
From there we will see...
For now it is still speculation, my H58 RAL 8000 is patiently waiting for is daddy... JP.
PS: no 308 will shoot at 1.5 miles, this was used as a figure of speach but 1000 yards why not....
From there we will see...
For now it is still speculation, my H58 RAL 8000 is patiently waiting for is daddy... JP.
PS: no 308 will shoot at 1.5 miles, this was used as a figure of speach but 1000 yards why not....
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I had a TRG-22 but sold it because I was never shooting it after I bought a TRG-42 . When I "needed " another 308 I ended up with an AIAEMkII
Bottom line is the TRG-22 could shoot better than I could manage ! ( obviously with good handloads ) . I actually prefer the TRG-22 to the AIAE I now have
Sure you can build a killer customer ( last custom I did was Stiller action ) on Remington 700 style and build it just the way you want it
Not sure why people think you can pimp out a Remington 700 for half of what a TRG-22 is . Buy the time you buy bottom metal ( AI style mags are the way to go IMO ) , stock , good barrel like a Cut rifle Krieger ( last build was PAc Nor for me ) , get remington 700 tweaked and all put together , I think you will be well over $1500 . Last couple customs I did easily surpassed that
I guess if you are a benchrest shooter you would judge only accuracy and my turn your nose down on a TRG . As I said before, the TRG's are accurate enough for what I use them for
Although I have not had my Stiller Viper out in the bush enough to make a fair judgement, but I am not sure if I would have enough faith in a "benchrest style custom" for rough field use . The Viper is supposedly build with more generous tolerances.
I can't count how many times my TRG has fallen over , been dropped in mud ( picture poking mud out of action with a twig ) , scratched to hell....much prefer Parkerized finish to blued , caught up in trees when horse doesn't co operate , frozen and it keeps on ticking
As tough as the TRG was designed, my buddy managed to crack the stock on his TRG-42 !
The TRG stock is very adjustable as is the trigger for 1st and 2nd stage ( you may or may not like the 2 stage style ) down to 2 lbs
Don't worry about the price of the accessories . You can buy a Surefire brake or a Near, scope base I went with Near,
I think the Sako bipod is pricey and more of a field / hunting bipod. Way to floppy for benchrest paper punching . I put on a Atlas bipod when I am doing load development
My word of advice is figure out how much your budget is and divide it by half and buy a rifle that fits that budget . Spend the other half on a good scope and rings / bases. I think many people under estimate the importance of a good scope.
Bottom line is the TRG-22 could shoot better than I could manage ! ( obviously with good handloads ) . I actually prefer the TRG-22 to the AIAE I now have
Sure you can build a killer customer ( last custom I did was Stiller action ) on Remington 700 style and build it just the way you want it
Not sure why people think you can pimp out a Remington 700 for half of what a TRG-22 is . Buy the time you buy bottom metal ( AI style mags are the way to go IMO ) , stock , good barrel like a Cut rifle Krieger ( last build was PAc Nor for me ) , get remington 700 tweaked and all put together , I think you will be well over $1500 . Last couple customs I did easily surpassed that
I guess if you are a benchrest shooter you would judge only accuracy and my turn your nose down on a TRG . As I said before, the TRG's are accurate enough for what I use them for
Although I have not had my Stiller Viper out in the bush enough to make a fair judgement, but I am not sure if I would have enough faith in a "benchrest style custom" for rough field use . The Viper is supposedly build with more generous tolerances.
I can't count how many times my TRG has fallen over , been dropped in mud ( picture poking mud out of action with a twig ) , scratched to hell....much prefer Parkerized finish to blued , caught up in trees when horse doesn't co operate , frozen and it keeps on ticking
As tough as the TRG was designed, my buddy managed to crack the stock on his TRG-42 !
The TRG stock is very adjustable as is the trigger for 1st and 2nd stage ( you may or may not like the 2 stage style ) down to 2 lbs
Don't worry about the price of the accessories . You can buy a Surefire brake or a Near, scope base I went with Near,
I think the Sako bipod is pricey and more of a field / hunting bipod. Way to floppy for benchrest paper punching . I put on a Atlas bipod when I am doing load development
My word of advice is figure out how much your budget is and divide it by half and buy a rifle that fits that budget . Spend the other half on a good scope and rings / bases. I think many people under estimate the importance of a good scope.
Not sure why the custom 700 keeps being mentioned as the alternative to the TRG22. A 5R milspec is about $1100 and shoots sub .5 Moa out of the box. Actually sub .4 for mine using factory ammo. Not fancy but military rifled quality barrel that also shoots a wide range of ammo. The 700 has been used in combat. Consider the 5r as the economy M24.
Now there is the SSG 3000 at $1500. Previously like the other high end bolt action military rifles it was exceptionally expensive. Now not so much. While the aluminum chasis, polymer covered stock isn't as respected as the former Mcmillian that came with them it is of similiar idea as that of the Brit sniper rifle and even the TRG22. At half the price it's hardto justify going with the Sako. If going all out these days I think I would go PGW with folding Cadex stock.
If the TRG price drops substantially liketge SSG did then I'll find a way to justify getting one! Do not take this as a knocking the TRG post. I've wanted a SSG and TRG for a long time. Only recently I was able to cross one off the list. Hopefully a TRG will be a reality too.
Now there is the SSG 3000 at $1500. Previously like the other high end bolt action military rifles it was exceptionally expensive. Now not so much. While the aluminum chasis, polymer covered stock isn't as respected as the former Mcmillian that came with them it is of similiar idea as that of the Brit sniper rifle and even the TRG22. At half the price it's hardto justify going with the Sako. If going all out these days I think I would go PGW with folding Cadex stock.
If the TRG price drops substantially liketge SSG did then I'll find a way to justify getting one! Do not take this as a knocking the TRG post. I've wanted a SSG and TRG for a long time. Only recently I was able to cross one off the list. Hopefully a TRG will be a reality too.
In life you come accross the one rifle that is a game changer for you, all others that come along or were there before all keep their great qualitys but this one rifle for your own personal self become the reference by wich all others are compared... JP.
I sure hope not because I've handled a Tikka tactical before and it validated my 5R rifle purchases. Considering I have a SSG on the way, I truly expect it to be better than the Tikka. At least the sporter has a nice stock because the "composite" Tikka stocks really suck. I only considered getting a Tikka after Robertson composites started making stocks for them (awesome stock company, a real shame they are no more). But cost didn't work out so I skipped the Tikka.
I fully expect the German made SSG 3000, which has a huge Finish user base with the same rifle labelled STR 200, will be better than the Tikka. Kind of odd that it's so popular in the Tikka and Sako homeland if it's not pretty good?
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Ian Robertson recently pillar,bedded and rebarreled a remington vls for me in 6x47 lapua. The accuracy of this thing is amazing. I shot the smallest group of my life about 4 days ago with it. It measured approx. 0.07 ...Most of my groups are in the .2s though I have shot a number in the .1s( and .3s of course) and this is just a varmint rifle.
Tikkas are a great factory rifle and I have friends who own them but it is quite a stretch to say they will match the accuracy of a well smithed rebarreled remington. On the other hand if I were to buy a factory rifle and keep it stock it would probably be a Tikka as they all seem to shoot very well.
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What I meant about the T3 Sporter vs SSG300 was really in terms of value / cost. The SSG and T3 Sporter aren't at all on te same page when it comes the roles they are made for. When I bought the Sporter it was simply for paper punching on range trips. I thought the set trigger and stock adjustability have it a value edge over the SSG at the same price point. That and I have always loved the T3 actions.
Necro thread revival !
The SSG goes up a few levels in either the McMillan stock or the bolthorn chassis. The patrol stock does the job but either of those other two options snd it doesn’t even seem like the same rifle.
I do have a Tikka Tactical A1. I like it. I like the ssg better though but not in patrol $1500 form. With the cost of the Tikka tactical going way up lately, the value considerations have changed.
I shot a TRG 22 the other day. Really liked it. Enough so that I went looking for one. Ended up getting two. A green stocked one with 26” barrel and a black stocked 20”. It took a while but, finally grabbed one.
