Why Hollow Point

[Suther]

Match/OTM projectiles are drawn from thicker jackets than hunting projectiles w/ varmint projectiles of thinner jackets to prevent ricochets.

Exposed lead tip hunting projectiles will loose weight when used in match conditions prior to making to the target since the lead tip is vaporizing in flight.

Reverse drawn/open heel projectiles have the same issue in the bore upon firing.

Nosler Partitions are JUNK....shoot them backwards to retain their weight & reduce bore leading/copper.

Partitions are junk? Now I think I've heard everything on CGN! Lol

 

[Brutus]

Nosler Partitions are junk!?!?
Well. A friend who lives on a rural property just west of Cold Lake sometimes has to shoot aggressive black bears. This past December was another replay and he used a single shot from one of his rifles. I fully expected to hear he used his father's 300 Win Mag the family moose slayer from Dryden.
Nope. A single 125 grain NP from his 6.5 Swede.
One to the chest on a large BB.
Dead right there.
But I guess it's junk according to some hereabouts.

 

[trevj]

Also the air space at the tip moves the CG rearward reducing the momentum of nutation or tip wobble.

Ayup! All about getting the run of bullets to fly right, which is all that matters for target use.

The shorter cylinder of the mass inside the jacket cuts down on the wobble and on the length that the mass is, effectively. At the hundreds of thousands of RPM (12 twist barrel, at 3000 FPS, equals 180,000 RPM!)that they turn at, any change that can be made to cut out the wobble, will increase accuracy potential.

For target or accuracy shooting, nobody is having to worry about reliable expansion.

A short fat mass is more stable in the spin, but not as streamlined. Adding a long closed in hollow nose streamlines it without adding much to the rotating mass effective length.

As to what the Snipers use, they use what has been issued and approved by more Lawyers than you might imagine. Boils down to using bullets that were not designed to cause suffering, they were designed to fly more accurately. They are not allowed to modify ammo, and they are not allowed to use ammo that is not approved for use. Not Geneva Convention, another whose name isn't coming to me right now...

 

[SamM69]

They are not allowed to modify ammo, and they are not allowed to use ammo that is not approved for use. Not Geneva Convention, another whose name isn't coming to me right now...

"The 1899 Hague Declaration concerning Expanding Bullets states:
The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core or is pierced with incisions."

see: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule77

 

[PSE]

Open tip match bullets during flight allow a dense air space/pocket to build up at the tip which allows the bullet to slide through the air with much less drag.

They are not designed for expansion on the target and hence are allowed to be used in warfare.

 

[Janeau]

Match bullet are not made for hunting. No effort is made to make them expand in a specific velocity range.´Any manufacturer put warning about not to use this type of bullet for hunting.

Some manufacturer offer two type with about the same profile - like Berger VLD and Hunting VLD.
Difference is in the jacket thickness and the lead core softness.

The Nosler partition is a great , almost legendary bullet. This is a proven bullet used by generation of hunters in both factory and reload ammo. Anybody saying otherwise do not know what he is talking about.

No bullet will compensate for poor shoots...and there is plenty of those happening,way more than accurate - one shot kill.

 

[Alpheus]

Open tip match bullets during flight allow a dense air space/pocket to build up at the tip which allows the bullet to slide through the air with much less drag.

Never heard that before. Can you explain how that works? Or maybe a reference I can check out?

 

[trevj]

"The 1899 Hague Declaration concerning Expanding Bullets states:
The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core or is pierced with incisions."

see: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule77

Thanks. That's it.

Needless to say, if the bullets were not legal for use, the million pounds of Lawyers that filter through almost every aspect of Military operations to ensure that the folks out in the field are not being asked to break any Laws, would say so and something else would be put to use.

For the limited uses that require accuracy, a bullet designed for accuracy, is apparently, acceptable.

For all that Cowboys and Rouges make for a more interesting Movie plot, the real world Military does not suffer them long or much at all.

 

[Brutus]

Just because the Hague Convention says this or that does not guarantee all nations have agreed to and signed this treaty on the law of armed conflict.

I do believe the USA did not ratify this treaty.
Came up in early discussions about Guantanemo Bay US mitary prison for terrorists.

 

[SamM69]

Just because the Hague Convention says this or that does not guarantee all nations have agreed to and signed this treaty on the law of armed conflict.

No, of course not. That's why the section I quoted begins with "The Contracting parties agree to...". Contracting parties refer to those nations who have signed and ratified specific sections of the treaties.

You can find a list of nations that have signed and/or ratified these treaties here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Hague_Conventions_of_1899_and_1907