Why not minor in Standard ?

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I was thinking the other day.... I download 40SW for my production G22. I have fired a few of these soft rounds through my Kimber with superb results - quite accurate, no failures, and relatively quick re-acquisition. Would I put myself at a huge disadvantage if I fired Minor in Standard ? Keeping in mind, I weigh all of 150lbs and reacquistion with Major loads takes noticably longer (I will test how much longer this weekend).

I think the short answer is - score "A"s and it does not matter. However, when I see some of the higher level matches, I can imagine that shooting As quickly is a helluva lot harder/takes longer therefore shooting Major allows you to score more points when you hit a C or D.

Anyways, just looking for some general feedback of shooting Minor in Standard - anybody do it on purpose ? ;-)
 
My wife shoots minor (9mm) in Standard division. She uses a CZ type gun and initially was uncomfortaqble manually lowering the hammer. Now she's made friends who shoot in Standard (some major some not) and typically scores in the middle of the pack. 9mm gives less percieved recoil leaving her with faster double taps.
 
if you can shoot with better time using a monor load and can still hit A's, then i dont see any disadvatages in fact advatages. the big diference between major and minor is on the D's and C's. mjor score 5-4-2, minor 5-3-1
 
The only way to find out is to do some arithmetic. Take some actually stages and see what it took you to shoot them. Then shot some major and minor loads and see what your splits and target acquisition times are. Then try to interpolate this to the actual stages and see what the hit factor difference would be.

I know that my shot to shot usually runs .25 of a sec and that my target to target acquisition runs about .45 shooting an open gun in major. So on average my time to shot 3 targets, with a 1.5 draw time, is 3.15. My average hits would be 3 A’s and 3 C’s for 27 points for a hit factor of 8.5771. So now presuming I shot all A’s I could slow down to 3.5 seconds and still get the same hit factor. So it seems like there might be some advantage if I shot the same speed or even a bit faster for as long a I could keep my shot to shot time and my target acquisition time the same or faster. So if everything else was equal about the only thing that would affect this was if the slide was slower cycling.

So get that new timer of yours out, run through a dozen drills in major, then a dozen in minor, take the best 3 or 4 runs from each group and see.
 
I shot minor w/ my .45, not on purpose, and shot very well & with descent times.

if you want to on purpose, i think it's not a bad idea if you're a good shot,, & get lots of A's anyways. if still a new shooter, shorter times w/ C's & D's, you'll lose out for sure !!
you can't load to low or you'll get malfunctions & than look at your score :wink:

so, play with both ideas.
load for 160 power factor and shoot some & load for 175 power factor and see how your times are. but rush in shooting as if really being timed & see how accurate your hits are too.
you'll have to find the right spring weight to handle the lessor recoil, but can cycle the slide efficiently.

If & I say if, I could have a power factor of 170.01 everytime chronied (keeping major) that would be just great !
 
I tried it; it hurt.

If you're serious about winning standard divison at a match; Minor is a disadvantage. You can't make up the time lost getting better hits.

Look at it this way; Did anyone in the top 10 at the nationals or any of the big provinces' championships shoot Minor? Did anyone in the top 100 at the World Shoot figure that shooting minor would give them an advantage?

The answer to both questions is No.

The champions know best.
 
Interestingly enough, we ran the numbers for the Match Winner in Standard and Production division at the BC Provincial Championships this year.

Clint won Production division with a G22, but if we moved him into standard, and kept him shooting minor power factor, he would have won Standard Division as well.
 
hungrybeagle said:
Interestingly enough, we ran the numbers for the Match Winner in Standard and Production division at the BC Provincial Championships this year.

Clint won Production division with a G22, but if we moved him into standard, and kept him shooting minor power factor, he would have won Standard Division as well.
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That is one of the things that spurred my curiousity - IIRC alot of production shooters had higher scores than individuals shooting major in Standard or Open. It would seem that, as always, the shooter is of primary importance and the gun/calibre/load/accessories only round out the package ?
 
Well, look at it this way...

The top guys (and I mean THE top guys, not us plunkers that do well locally) consider D's to be VERY VERY BAD things. A count is extremely important to those guys. If you are shooting minor and have a very high A count, you don't really have any serious drop in score. If you are shooting minor and you have a whack of C's and D's, of course your score is going to be a lot lower.
 
If your gun and load are working 100% while shooting minor, go for it. As mentioned, if your accuracy is up to snuff, it won't hold you back. If you find yourself frustrated mid season with your results, is it your accuracy or your power factor you need to improve????????
 
hungrybeagle said:
Clint won Production division with a G22, but if we moved him into standard, and kept him shooting minor power factor, he would have won Standard Division as well.
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and ipsc1 would have been 4th and slavex 9th in Std at this year's nationals, with their minor prod scores...
 
I shoot minor in Standard and Open... and I have placed in the top 10, and some matches I dropped my scores over from Production to Standard and would have done extremely well placing in the top 3. If you shoot like IPSC1 who hits mostly A's then it doesn't matter at all.

The only disadvantage is in the mind of the competitior...shoot fast and accurate.
 
Sure it can be done....but why?? When IPSC1 was shooting Open he was definitly shooting major.....same when he shoot with his Standard gun! there maybe no disadvantage to a minor load....but there is also no advantage..... :roll: if there was a significant advantage....I'm sure some top shooters would be using it!

I don't believed you can become Top shooter if you cannot control a major power factor......I'm not a top shooter but I'm progressing slowly.....it just take a awfull lot of ammo's and practice....practice... :eek: :)
 
something no-one has noted, if there is no chrony then you are scored as major anyway. Last 3 matches I have shot, there hasn't been a chrony. Not advocating shooting minor...just pointing it out.
 
OkDave said:
something no-one has noted, if there is no chrony then you are scored as major anyway. Last 3 matches I have shot, there hasn't been a chrony. Not advocating shooting minor...just pointing it out.
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A very good point for those of a competitive nature!
 
OkDave said:
something no-one has noted, if there is no chrony then you are scored as major anyway. Last 3 matches I have shot, there hasn't been a chrony. Not advocating shooting minor...just pointing it out.
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True, but I don't want to be the one looking like a dunce if I get chronoed shooting loaded that barely make Minor, let alone Major :roll:
 
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