Why Sigarms and not Sig Sauer for the Canadian market?

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Why is it that we get SIGs assembled by Sigarms in Hew Hampshire instead of the guns assembled by Sauer in Germany? Rumor has it that Sigarms is experiencing QC problems as a result of excessive cost cutting, so given the choice, I would rather buy a German-made SIG.

Considering that (a) Sigarms and Sauer are two separate companies and (b) everyone is constantly whining about poor customer service from Sigarms' Canadian distributor FN Sports, it would seem logical for some importer (TSE?) to try to bypass FN by going to Sauer.
 
SigArms is the US distributer of SigSauer products, while FN Sports is SigSauer's CDN distributer....

Sauer will not sell directly in a country where they have a contracted distributer... (that's what i've been told, some retailers that don't like dealing /w FN has gone gray-market to get guns from SigArms in the states...)
 
hr said:
SigArms is the US distributer of SigSauer products, while FN Sports is SigSauer's CDN distributer....

Sauer will not sell directly in a country where they have a contracted distributer... (that's what i've been told, some retailers that don't like dealing /w FN has gone gray-market to get guns from SigArms in the states...)
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Sigarms is not a distributor of JP Sauer & Sohn GmbH, at least not in the traditional sense. It is also not a subsidiary of JP Sauer. The two companies used to be owned by the same people but had separate executive boards and management. From what I know, the former owners of Swiss Arms/Sauer/Sigarms have sold the company piecemeal.

So for all intents and purposes, JP Sauer and Sigarms are two separate companies. Sigarms has its own manufacturing facility in Exeter, New Hampshire where it's manufacturing guns under license from whoever holds the patent rights. Sauer does the same thing in Germany.

FN sports is not a distributor of JP Sauer. It's is a distributor of Sigarms. Unless Sauer has made a specific pledge not to sell on the Canadian market, they are not bound by the distribution agreement between Sigarms and FN Sports.
 
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Wait... Is FN sports the distributor, or is TSE also a distributor.

If FN sports is the distro, then forget it, I'll never own a Sig in Canada. If TSE is a distributor, then it'll be my next 9mm.
 
Bartledan said:
Wait... Is FN sports the distributor, or is TSE also a distributor.

If FN sports is the distro, then forget it, I'll never own a Sig in Canada. If TSE is a distributor, then it'll be my next 9mm.
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Someone enlighten me.
 
I bought a German SigSauer P220 brand new in 2003, from European Arms in North Vancouver - They had lots of them then, and do distribute to many local retailers.

As far as I know, they do order direct from Europe for some of their product.

Neal
 
yes FN sports is the distributor in Canada for most gun inc SIG...

but I think TSE is importing them as well, I'm assuming if something brakes FN would be the one fixing it :eek:
 
If I ever have to deal with FN sports, I'll never buy the product.

I wouldn't cross the street to piss on R Nicholl's corporate headquarters if it was on fire... Unless I'd been drinking turpentine.
 
SparkyWonderDawg said:
My service chunk (Sig229) Says Sig Sauer 229 stainless on the side. Underneath of that it says Sigarms.Inc. Exeter-NH-USA.

On the other side on the frame not the slide it says -SIGARMS INC> EXETER NH-
FRAME-P229 MADE IN GERMANY.
Then it gives the serial number.

I'll talk to our armourer next time I'm on block training and get the scoop about where ma piece came from.
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The Sig Sauer moniker is misleading. SIG, which is a large Swiss industrial conglomerate, is no longer in the gun business and has divested of its firearms division (now known as Swiss Arms). The frame is indeed made by Sauer in Germany and supplied to Sigarms under contract. The final assembly is made at the Sigarms plant in Exeter, New Hampshire. The slide and barrel are manufactured in the USA (though I'm not sure if they are made by Sigarms itself or subcontracted).
 
If I am not mistaken, FN is the exclusive for a lot of these firearms only for Law Enforcement/Military, and buys directly to from the manufacturer, with the exception of HK.

Maybe TSE can straighten this out for us, as I agree with others on what FN is all about.
 
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So what's the story behind all the hate for R Nicholls and FN Sports? I was loving my new Sig Mosquito, but now I'm afraid of it ever breaking. If the story is too gruesome for public consumption, could somebody send it to me in a PM?
 
The problem is that well it is nice that we have 2 companies importing Sig products into Canada one is the Licensed dist the other importing from the US the problem arises when you have warranty issues and like anything the Canadian Distributor is not required to offer customer support to those people that bought there guns from other sources
 
The way FN/R Nicholls deals with thier customers, we are far better off ordering from TSE and if anything goes wrong rely on them to deal with the problem, we know that their customer service is very good, and regardless of an itme coming out of the US, you would get it back quicker then from FN, it would come back from Germany quicker then FN.
 
Steve David said:
The way FN/R Nicholls deals with thier customers, we are far better off ordering from TSE and if anything goes wrong rely on them to deal with the problem, we know that their customer service is very good, and regardless of an itme coming out of the US, you would get it back quicker then from FN, it would come back from Germany quicker then FN.
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Yes, but where does TSE buy their guns from? I was under the impression they were buying them from FN Sports like every other retailer, not from Germany. I also do to think that TSE provides warranty service for the Sigs that they sell.
 
Here is the poop:

SIGARMs distributes their own products and Sauer's products in North America. FN Sports in the "exlusive" distributor for SIGARMs in Canada.

We won't deal with FN Sports as their pricing is ridiculous so we source our guns from anywhere else. We can take care of most warranty issues here as we have SIGARMs trained amorers on staff. SIGARMS will also honour warranty issues if we send guns directly to them.

German made guns are available from Europe. American made guns are available from the US.

SIGARMs, Swiss Arms, Sauer, and Blaser are still all owned by the same guys. Hammerli was recently sold to Walther.
 
redleg said:
We won't deal with FN Sports as their pricing is ridiculous so we source our guns from anywhere else. We can take care of most warranty issues here as we have SIGARMs trained amorers on staff. SIGARMS will also honour warranty issues if we send guns directly to them.

German made guns are available from Europe. American made guns are available from the US.
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So do you sell German-made guns, American-made guns or both? If someone specifically wanted a 100% Sauer-made gun, could they specify that in the order?
 
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