Why so many M14s on the EE?

[RememberTheSomme]

WTF does this have to do with anything? A personal attack on me?

Absolutely the dumbest most off topic rant I have read in awhile. Thanks for the laugh.

Like many Norinco's, the fit and finish on these guns is often lacking to say the least.

So someone who may be used to well finished blued guns, decides to buy one of these sight unseen, there is a pretty good chance they will be quite disappointed when they get it.

Me I never buy anything sight unseen, but I have handled and fired several of these guns, and realize that for my tastes this gun just wouldn't satisfy me, unless I was ready to spend some money on a new stock, and new sights, as well as an optic mounting system. That puts me into around $300 in upgrades before even firing the thing.

Just like I have been through with a couple 1911's, the bottom line is these guns will always be Norinco's. Nothing more. You put a whole bunch of work into these guns, and then what?

I don't hate them, but I leave em to be what they are. Cheap guns that function well for the most part.

My post was to counter your biased position on why so many were on the EE with my own opinion. It wasn't hard to discern a slightly lifted nasal passage, and the vision of a glass of fanboy Kool-Aid on tap.


The references I made were merely my idea of why people are not happy with the real thing once it's in hand, and not that you were one of these reasons.

As to a personal attack,..saying my post was the "DUMBEST" thing you've read, could be taken as a direct attack or even a challenge to me. Are you sure your up to it?

 

[LiveFreeOrPie]

I would say that if you want 'minute of zombie' you can have it. However the sad fact is that the stock sights on the M305 can be dodgy. The thing to do is simply get them dialed in to a 25yd/300yd zero and then LEAVE THEM ALONE...at least until you can replace them with some decent rear sights.

This. I was confused trying to zero in on a walkback... and realized that the norc rear sight is, well, absolutely terrible.



Ordered a CASM from m14.ca, it comes with a built in (non adjustable) rear sight that lines up perfectly (on a shorty) with a Navy Gas Lock sight from SEI or wherever you can get them.

Looking forward to the blackfeather stock as it comes with an oprod guide that tensions the barrel, which should help drastically with harmonic vibration, as well as the practical pistol grip and m16 stock adapter. I'll throw some high powered optics on there as well and test how close the groups can get. I'm convinced that most (myself included) have a lot more to improve on THEIR mechanics rather than the rifle to get good groupings...

 

[Grove]

I wont ever buy one based on fact you need to tune up ever aspect of the rifle.

An SVT40 is average $100 cheaper and is perfect from the 1940's.

Ammunition cheaper, more powerful and you dont doubt the rifle wondering will my op rod explode randomly.

Tougher then nazis testicles in plain english.... Those norincos are utter ####.

They can build sks's perfect but china m14 eats crap all day.

Never ever heard of an svt having any parts break, explode,ect.

Function first, accuracy is acceptable for what the rifle is.

 

[computermike]

I wont ever buy one based on fact you need to tune up ever aspect of the rifle.

An SVT40 is average $100 cheaper and is perfect from the 1940's.

Ammunition cheaper, more powerful and you dont doubt the rifle wondering will my op rod explode randomly.

Tougher then nazis testicles in plain english.... Those norincos are utter s**t.

They can build sks's perfect but china m14 eats crap all day.

Never ever heard of an svt having any parts break, explode,ect.

Function first, accuracy is acceptable for what the rifle is.

I think you are confusing want with need. You don't HAVE to do a thing to these rifle out of the box. They shoot just fine. You will however WANT to tweak a few things as working on them is addictive. Life is good.

 

[Andy]

It seems like a normal cycle - many people are impulsive and have a short attention span, and when something is readily available and inexpensive, they jump on it. Then a few weeks later, it's "taking up space in their enormous eight gun vault and must go." In my opinion, anyone who doesn't handload and refuses to consider it, will not be in the sport long, or at least won't be into it in a very big way. As pointed out, ammo for these is not inexpensive.

I have two and I'll be keeping them for a while - they're just too much fun to shoot.

 

[mlehtovaara]

My post was to counter your biased position on why so many were on the EE with my own opinion. It wasn't hard to discern a slightly lifted nasal passage, and the vision of a glass of fanboy Kool-Aid on tap.


The references I made were merely my idea of why people are not happy with the real thing once it's in hand, and not that you were one of these reasons.

As to a personal attack,..saying my post was the "DUMBEST" thing you've read, could be taken as a direct attack or even a challenge to me. Are you sure your up to it?

I'm far from a snob or fanboy!

I have no money to be. I appreciate many of the Norc's and have owned several of their pistols, and one of their rifles. All were very good and fuctioned as they are supposed to.

I have, and always will stand up for the Norinco products, but what I said about the M14 rings true.

The fit and finish on them is not what many expect.

If people buy them with this in mind and realize that there are some necessary tweeks to be made with these guns than they will be happy with them.

Do you disagree with any of this?

As far as challenging you, I don't believe your rant has anything to do with this topic.

Not knowing guns are made of metal and go bang?

Call of duty and other video games?

What do these have to do with people buying and selling guns?

Your rant well it may hold true in other respects doesn't seem to figure in to the OP, and this discussion.

 

[Tomochan]

I've owned a few norc m14's and a SA M1A ( somewhere on here there is a review I wote about these rifles ) and whilst I believe the Norc M14 is a very good value out of the box I think there are several reasons so many are for sale: there are a lot sold hence the resale market is correspondingly strong; many people are somewhat disappointed with the accuracy of the platform - expecting sub MOA out of a M14 is unrealistic no matter who makes it; the idea of basting away is fun until you have to pay for it - a CZ 858 does just the same thing but much more cheaply and, lastly, for many people these rifles are a fad -the entry point is highly affordable so people will buy, then spend money on upgrades and then say "mmm, time to try a different type of shooting.

 

[machman]

The Norc M14 to me is kind of like a car or bike...do you work on your own or take it to a mechanic? Do you like to try to squeeze a little more performance out of your vehicle? If you answer yes to these questions, The M14 is for you...If not, you'll end up reselling it. It is not the kind of rifle you should send to a gunsmith for every little thing...it is the kind of rifle you should fettle on your own, or with buddies who also have them. They are anvil strong and not easily screwed up by the ham-fisted. We'll help you if you do ;-)

 

[Pblatzz]

What Andy, Tomochan, and machman said.

The Norincos' have been improving over the last few batches. I have seen questionable quality on the very early rifles, stocks, sights, welded flash hiders, poor machining and some components compatibility (metric vs imperial), etc....

But having 2 currently (2009, 2012) and have had a TRW M14 to compare. Well I think they are getting better in quality. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Hungry]

Well looks like it did not take long for the naysayers to come out of the woodwork and start conflicts on this thread. It's run it course. Time is up! Locking it from 2 time zones from home and after a super positive M14 clinic in Alberta.