Will the 224 ever regain its glory days of the 50s & 60s over the 6mm

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The 222 was the top gun in benchrest before the 6mmppc & 6Br came along and now they seem to hold all the records at 100 & 200 maybe 300 as well.
I have couple friends in USA that are shooting different cases with 224 65gr flat base bullets by JLK and the are in the .100s and smaller using 1/8 twist at 100y and claim they can run against the 6mm at the shorts? and better at 300y with 90grs in 1/7 twist
I have shot against quite a few 6BR at 300m out to 600m, with the 90gr .224 in 223 rem and they do okay against the 105gr, fellow shooting the 68gr doesn,t win at 300y in middle of day with winds against the 90gr 224 in F class unless he is a super super wind reader
Some fellows are getting stunning results with 22/250 1/8 and 80gr bergers and 1/7 twist with 90gr bergers ina necked down 6.5by 47 lapua case and the 22.250 all using Lapua brass.
Freind in Beachburg ONT put a custom barrel on his 40x Remington he is shooting 69gr boatails with great success but I think the flat base JLK would work very well
Freind who has won the Nationals USA sent me this target shot with his 6BR
seems like a pipe dream anything will shoot better than the 6mm after looking at target on left and thats 200y

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I have a 22br that will produce impressive groups in the 1's and 2's @ 100 often enough but my 6ppc beats it hands down it is more consistent.

I have heard of guys building fast twist 22br's and claiming super accuracy I would like to try one in f-class I think it would perform well with the 90's.

I have a reamer for a 22ppc that I have never used yet and would like to try also.
 
coyote said:
I have a 22br that will produce impressive groups in the 1's and 2's @ 100 often enough but my 6ppc beats it hands down it is more consistent.

I have heard of guys building fast twist 22br's and claiming super accuracy I would like to try one in f-class I think it would perform well with the 90's.

I have a reamer for a 22ppc that I have never used yet and would like to try also.
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I think you might just to very very well with the 22ppc, you would be tough to beat
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I wonder how a 22br would do with 90's and what speed could be expected I know my 6br performs well with 105's but I think more speed could be expected from the 22br with a higher bc bullet.

The 22ppc would work well also I'm sure less case volume but a known accuracy performer for sure.

I am waiting on a 6mm barrel now to build a 6 super lr I received the reamer and gauge once I get this one together I will order a 224 barrel and try something for long range in 224.
 
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coyote said:
I have a 22br that will produce impressive groups in the 1's and 2's @ 100 often enough but my 6ppc beats it hands down it is more consistent.
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The "6PPC beats it hands down and is more consistent". That is the piece of the puzzle that many tend to ignore............."more consistent" Some shoot 22/100 short,(PPC shortened) others the 22 Waldog and numerous other variations but the 6 PPC rules today.

22's may be close in the short yardages out to 300 but they lack slightly. One can argue that a 22 cal with heavies will out perform say a PPC with 68's. Let's try this. Shoot a 68 in your 22 out to 300 and I will shoot the 6PPC. See what comes out on top consistently.........................

Some thoughts.

CBY
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Well I just had a great day at the range playing with my 6ppc and like you were saying cycbb486 they are consistent for sure .
I was playing around doing some load developement for a new bullet and my worst group all day was about 3/8" @ 100.

With the new bullets coming out regularly one has to think that maybe a 22cal might be a good choice in short and long range in the future.
I for one love wildcating so any idea that pops in my head sometimes materializes and maybe one day I or someone else might come out with the new version of the 6ppc .

For now the 6ppc still dominates the short range BR but I'm sure in the future something else will take it's place ,wish I knew what it will be.

I have been reading that some bench shooters are using BT bullets and are doing well who knows what the future will bring.
 
I think the 6mms will continue to rule benchrest competition for a long time, just like the .30 cals. do in Cast Bullet Benchrest.
 
From some of the stories I have heard in regards to 22 cals in say a 22 PPC the key is GREAT bullets and the right powder burn rate. There are guys that have done phenominal with a 22 but when the bullets or powder they were using dried up that was about the end of there reign.
 
I have been playing around with swaging my own bullets for a few years now and the thought of a high bc 22cal bullet has crossed my mind .
Maybe this winter when I have more time on my hands I could make a die for forming a 15 or 16 ogive bullet in 224 boatail that would be light enough in weight to be driven fast and high enough in bc to buck the wind ,I would really like to try a 22br or 22ppc in f-open .

As far as short range out to 300 the 6's will be hard to beat.
 
Hi. I have been shooting a 22BR in F-Class Open for the past 2-1/2 years using 90 Berger VLD's at about 2900 fps and am on my 3rd barrel. It is my opinion based on many matches that the 90 VLD's are marginal in stability out of a 1 in 7 twist and in certain conditions do not perform as well as a 107 grain 6mm bullet. I have been consistantly losing to the 6mm BR's by just a few points or "V's" this year. When I have switched to other rilfes then I can beat these same people so it is not my shooting ability. I have noticed that when I shoot in calm conditions the cartridge will shoot clean scores and very high "V's" at all ranges out to 700 meters but when a slight choppy conditions show up then the groups become larger and impact locations are unpredicatable. The rifles will not hold a small verticle waterline even though these are 1/4 to 1/3 minute rifles in calm conditions. I am now considering rebarreling these rifles to other cartridges and going away from the 22BR totally. Steve
 
cycbb486 said:
coyote said:
I have a 22br that will produce impressive groups in the 1's and 2's @ 100 often enough but my 6ppc beats it hands down it is more consistent.
QUOTE]

sentence is the quoted one.

The "6PPC beats it hands down and is more consistent". That is the piece of the puzzle that many tend to ignore............."more consistent" Some shoot 22/100 short,(PPC shortened) others the 22 Waldog and numerous other variations but the 6 PPC rules today.

22's may be close in the short yardages out to 300 but they lack slightly. One can argue that a 22 cal with heavies will out perform say a PPC with 68's. Let's try this. Shoot a 68 in your 22 out to 300 and I will shoot the 6PPC. See what comes out on top consistently.........................

Some thoughts.

CBY
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if you shoot the 68gr in your PPC at 300 yards off the bench I would have to say that you won,t beat a 223 with 90gr when there is lots of wind, unless you can really read the wind, you can,t give up 100+ BC it will catch you at the longs
manitou
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Manitou, you are probably right. I did say though shooting a 68 gr out of a 223 versus a 6ppc shooting the same weight bullet.

I do not have the experience to know for sure. I just know what I hear from those that shoot the PPC religiously.

CBY
 
It's all about bullets and the 6mm has a huge manf base that makes superb slugs.

22cal is primarily a varmint or milspec market and products gear directly for that.

There is no way you are going to beat a quality 6mm rig with 1/3 min bullets. There is precious little in the mid 60gr range in 22 that is not intended for a service rifle or coyote shooter.

Now if both rigs shot the SAME quality of bullet, that would be an interesting test.

About the only area where I see strong developments in quality are in the heavies for F TR shooters. Shooting groups in the 1" at 500m is not out of the question. That is off a bipod prone.

We are definitely shooting bullets that are capable of being in the 1's at SR and the 2's at LR. But that is still a far cry from pure BR bullets that shoot in the 0's and 1's

I really don't think interest will ever grow to support pure BR quality 22 bullets unless the rules are changed (and that is highly unlikely).

So as was said, when great bullets are made, the 22's become competitive. That passes and it fades from memory.

Jerry
 
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