Win 1897 questions for SASS

COREY

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Howdy,

So I got into cowboy action almost 2 years ago. So did my daughter. My firearm collection shifted rapidly over about 8 months. Not only did I need to finish up my setup, but needed to set up my daughter as well.

Anywho, along the line I picked up a couple 1897s. One is a Winchester 1897 breakdown from around 1907 I think. Good deal from a friend, no finish left, and a cracked forend, but runs really smooth. Has a 30" full chocked barrel. Other is a Marstar 1897 with 20" barrel with chokes and walnut. The Marstar one was too good a deal to pass up.

I have a few questions to ask between the 2.

Anyone know if there is a good user's manual for the 1897? Trying to figure things out with them.

The Win 1897 is mechanically solid, but there is no finish and the wood is nothings special as I already said. Would you cut it down for 20"? Probably would swing well for ducks as is, but is a bit of a PITA to swing from one target to the next at 12 yards, and the barrel can get in the way.

I was reading that the 1897 was made so that you need to pull forward on the forend to get it to cycle. I guess it is supposed to work under recoil. The Winchester cycles purely by pulling the trigger and I guess the normal forward pressure I place on the forend. The Marstar is a determined effort to push forward on to cycle it. I find it so stiff that it may not cycle in a practice stage (have not used either for a match yet). Is there anything wrong with either one? I mean, should the Winchester cycle that easy, and there is something wrong with the Marstar, or vice versa?
 
Too many 97s have been cut up for SASS. Buy another one from Marstar and keep the original unmolested. OTOH it's your gun so....
On the other topic, the Winchester has almost 100 years under its belt, it's going to be a lot smoother than the Chinese copy. Plus the Marstar gun is a Chinese copy so it might be a bit rough.
 
I expect that Marstar gun will just need a lot of operating to smoothen it up or you may consult with your shooting buddies and find someone who can smoothen it up for you without wrecking it. I too am of the opinion that too many 1897's have been chopped for cowboy action shooting but it's your gun to do with whatever you want.
 
I had a Chinese copy and it took a professional gunsmith to fix all the issues so it ran well. Might be worth getting one to look it over. Then you have a solid gun
 
The closest thing to a user manual that I have found is a section in "Antique Firearms Assembly/Dissasembly" by David Chicoine. I did some action work on a C 19 CA norinco 97 and it made a huge difference. Many of the internal parts just need to be properly fitted and polished using a sharpie and some careful filing. The flat spring that powers the hammer is also far stronger than it needs to be and could likely be thinned a bit more to smooth things out. Properly facing the extractor helped reliability and prevented the initial mangling of rims. I was very impressed at the manufacturing quality for the price.
 
Thanks for the help.

With everything happening right now, I probably will just try to find a replacement forend for the Winchesrer and take the Marstar one to a gunsmith and have them clean it up.
 
I had a Chinese copy and it took a professional gunsmith to fix all the issues so it ran well. Might be worth getting one to look it over. Then you have a solid gun

I got mine 'slicked up' from the folks at Rusty Wood Trading Co.

They did a super job and it operates smoothly without any issues.
 
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