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I have had this gun for a long time, but have never fired a shot out of it.

First, two questions:

Is it a take down model? Looking at the way the barrel assembly joins the action, I see a big lump of machined steel. And both the receiver and the barrel assembly have a serial number (matching). Number is 1.2 million

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At the muzzle there is a machined lug or flange, something like a bayonet lug. Is this for a removable choke?

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The end of the mag tube has a big machined pin that slide from side to side, as if for screwing in the mag tube. The other end of the tube appears to have an interrupted thread.
 
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are you bragging.......or are you serious????

nice find......now you have to find the matching bayonet.....

winchester model 12 trench gun.......
 
You're halfway there;

take the pin at the end of the mag tube (looks like you already have it pushed out) and rotate it clockwise, then pull the mag tube forward. Take the barrel and turn it 90 degrees to the left, if you're looking at the top of the gun. The barrel and mag tube come off as one assembly.
 
any idea where the ventilated barrel shroud ended up?

if you hold the trigger when you pump the action it will really wake you up in a hurry......there is no interupter in those model 12 shotguns...it will fire as fast as you can shoot..
 
According to serial # it was made in 1950. Finish is nice blue. NO USA stamps, or flaming bomb stamps.

So it is a take down model. Are all Mod 12s takedown?

And what is the muzzle flange for? Looking at pictures of trench guns, it might be required to mount the bayonet lug.

I was originally thinking that the flange was to mount an adjustable choke - but I see the barrel is stamped MOD (Modified), so it did not come with an adjustable choke.
 
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has it got a 20 inch barrel?

the front sight is on the barrel shroud, which also attaches to the end of the magazine tube..

the riot and trench guns had a 20 inch barrel.

The front sight was also on the adjustable poly choke, however the muzzle looks wrong for ever having a poly choke installed on it.......

I am flipping through my big book, I have a vast collection of model 50's but the only pumps around here now are 2200's....but I have seen and shot my share of model 12's.
 
hey gander has it got a U.S. and ordinance bomb stamped on receiver? and is it a 20 inch barrel or is it longer?

riot guns were blue with a red butt pat, trench guns were parkerized with a metal butt pad.
 
It is a 20" barrel. No bead. Could bead been on the part that would have attached around the flange?

This would be a cool gun to get the missing parts for.

Edit: Just tested it. It slam fires. If I keep trigger pulled, it fires automatically at the end of the pump stroke. This will be an expensive gun to keep fed....

Anyone care to put a value on it? It might need a better home.
 
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Nice old gun that someone altered at one time in my opinion but I an no expert. Not a factory trench or riot version with that serial number.
All the Military Model 12s are factory marked on the right side of the receiver under the ejection port with a "US" and flaming bomb. There is also a small hand stamped flaming bomb on the top of the barrel next to the Winchester proof mark. The Military guns also have buttstock marks. The vast majority of the riot guns have a WB mark and crossed cannons mark on the buttstock while the trench guns have GHD stock cartouches and crossed cannon marked buttstocks.No "mod" stamped barrels either
Trench were 939649-1035459 and most riot were around 970000
As far as value I am not up to speed on them but perhaps struff55 will chime in he knows model 12's.
All model 12's are cool. Thanks for sharing
 
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Many model 12s of that vintage were fitted with adjustable choke devices of their time. My guess is it may be related to a "Cutts Compensator" that has been removed. Just a guess though.

All models 12s "take down".
 
dilly said:
Many model 12s of that vintage were fitted with adjustable choke devices of their time. My guess is it may be related to a "Cutts Compensator" that has been removed. Just a guess though.

All models 12s "take down".
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Pretty good guess. Sure looks like a cutts insert that has had the end machined or cut off.Some had a flat spot also which I can almost see I think in the OP's pic.
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I would go to shotgunworld and post this on the winchester lovers forum. Those guys really know their model 12s.

As far as value goes, if it is a cut barrel 12ga field model, it won't be worth much. Maybe $200. Too bad...
 
It is what's left of a Cutts attachment. The vented cage would attach to it then the threaded tube/choke. May even be what's left of a Pachmyer choke which was very similar to a Cutts. being stamped MOD indicates the device was installed after purchase.

Darryl
 
dilly said:
I would go to shotgunworld and post this on the winchester lovers forum. Those guys really know their model 12s.

As far as value goes, if it is a cut barrel 12ga field model, it won't be worth much. Maybe $200. Too bad...
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I would say price wise you are correct just cannot see what makes you think is it not a cut field model. Again I'm no expert on model 12 but do watch for the special ones since they have good resale What am I missing???Wrong serial number range, wrong choked barrel, no special butt plate or inset swivel in stock is mentioned and there is not one of the special marks the experts look for. If it has even one of these I may question further but it has none or maybe it does it???. take care

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3macs1 said:
I would say price wise you are correct just cannot see what makes you think is it not a cut field model. Again I'm no expert on model 12 but do watch for the special ones since they have good resale What am I missing???Wrong serial number range, wrong choked barrel, no special butt plate or inset swivel in stock is mentioned and there is not one of the special marks the experts look for. If it has even one of these I may question further but it has none or maybe it does it???. take care
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I think you are bang on with your suspicions 3macs. I think it is a field with a barrel that had an old-timey choke device installed some time ago and then someone cut it off to make a slug gun.
 
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I think you are bang on with your suspicions 3macs. I think it is a field with a barrel that had an old-timey choke device installed some time ago and then someone cut it off to make a slug gun.
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Cool. Just double checking since as you know those model 12 trench guns go for big dollars to me. Remember seeing one state side at a show selling for like 1400 and it was a piece of crap. I would feel terrible leading the OP in the wrong direction if there was something to indicate it could be one.
I have some model 12's all field guns but never fortunate enough to find a true trench gun. take care
 
Mystery solved. In my junk bin is an adjustable choke that looks like it was cut off a barrel. Now I know where it came from.

I need to circumcise this barrel by a 1/4" and install a bead.

Yes, it does slam fire.

Anyone want to give it a good home? $250 shipped.
 
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