Winchester 44-40 Issues

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A friend of mine, who is a new shooter, brought one the Commemorative issue levers (Cheyenne carbine?) to the range for a trial run. He was using Winchester factory fodder (200 gr copper jacket rifle ammo). Well - the thing shot horribly - couldn't hit a large pizza at 10 yards. I checked the obvious - loose sights, loose barrel, ringed bore, dirty bore, etc, with nothing to show.

I know squat about these rifles... Anybody have any experience with these rifles and caliber? One thing I did note is that the rifling seemed to be very shallow. Perhaps these rifles are sensitive to bullet OD and composition?
 
A friend of mine, who is a new shooter, brought one the Commemorative issue levers (Cheyenne carbine?) to the range for a trial run. He was using Winchester factory fodder (200 gr copper jacket rifle ammo). Well - the thing shot horribly - couldn't hit a large pizza at 10 yards. I checked the obvious - loose sights, loose barrel, ringed bore, dirty bore, etc, with nothing to show.

I know squat about these rifles... Anybody have any experience with these rifles and caliber? One thing I did note is that the rifling seemed to be very shallow. Perhaps these rifles are sensitive to bullet OD and composition?

Obviously, without examining the rifle, it's pure speculation.

However...

The bore is probably rifled for .44 magnum, which is .429" groove diameter, while .44-40 is a .427" groove diameter.

The .429" rifling set-up was probably more convenient and cheaper for Winchester to use, and they didn't worry about commemoratives being shot anyway. It's a safe compromise, if not an accurate one.

This, combined with very shallow rifling would probably account for bullets not gripping the rifling properly.

I had a Rossi 92 in .44 magnum years ago, which also had abysmally shallow rifling. When I tried lead bullet reloads at .44-40 velocities in it, they key-holed at 25 yards.

This rifle had the typical 1:28 twist typical for .44-40 rifles, so I concluded that the shallow rifling was at fault. Perhaps using .431 diameter bullets might have helped, but by then I was fed up with it.

You should first slug the bore, as had been suggested to confirm if it is .429".

You could then try getting some .44-40 reloads made up using .429 JSP .44 magnum bullets. If they will chamber, the accuracy might improve.
 
What he said use .429-.430 jacketed.They shot nice with IMR 4227 in a commemorative .44-40 I had.Harold
 
OK - Quick update. After doing a dimensional check of both the barrel and chamber, I went ahead and picked up some 44 (mag) cal Hornady 200 gr XTP, with a dia of 0.430 inches. Pulled a few bullets from the Win factory ammo and replaced them with the XTP's. Chambering was slightly snug, no problems here.
Rifle shot like a champ! Away to the races....

Thanks to all!
 
They/Win cheaped out and used existing .429-.430 barrels for the .44 mag on the 44-40's......BTW Speer 200gr .429 Gold Dot HP's will take the lead out of any deer's pencil at 44-40 reasonable ranges...just pay attention to your OAL for cycling.......Harold
 
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Cast GC .430gr oughta cure the inaccuracy.24gr/RE#7 /220gr GC cast shoots .680" at 50 yards out of my original Win 1892.Get a hold of Jet Cast Bullets.Starline or Win brass as Rem may be too thick to chamber.Cowboy dies are a plus.
Remember with the 44-40 OAL not to exceed 1.6" to function.
 
I have the gold plated Little Bighorn 94-44-40. I use .430 hornady 200 gr. Bullets it is quite accurate and I load it with 23 gr. N110 a snappy flat shooting load. I never tried 44 40 bullets I assumed it would have the .429 bore. It’s very light at 5.5 pounds the barrel is thin and looks like a .410 shotgun barrel at the end. I bet it wouldn’t shoot straight with the undersized underpowered factory loads. It does have kind of shallow rifling but not as shallow as my marlin 44 40 which shoots fine
 
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