Winchester 64 Picture Up

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An older gentleman dropped off a Winchester for me to look at today and my reference books don't tell me much about it.
I do know it was manufactured in 1954 and that there weren't many of them.
Its a nicer gun than the standard 94 with the half mag and pistol grip stock.
I hope to have pictures tomorrow.

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If it has a checkering on the pistol grip and forearm it would be a deluxe.
I had one in a previous life and would love to find another, they are a fine rifle and excellent shooter....
 
I had one years ago in .32 Spl. It's one of a long and distinguished list that I've parted with and regret doing so. However, as I recall there was a S&W 8 3/8" model 27 I needed funds for and the rest is history.
 
The Model 64 is more or less the replacement for the model 1894 sporting rifle. It was preceded by the model 55 from the 1920's to the 1930's when the 64 was introduced. It features a tapered 24 inch barrel, 1/2 mag and pistol grip. A super nice woods rifle with incredible balance for offhand shooting. If it is a standard model(no checkering or sling) it is worth $700 and up in very good to excellent condition (unrefinished). If it's a deluxe add $300 to $400 at least. It was made in .30/30,.32 special and .219 Zipper(26 inch barrel) and if you are a collector there were a handful made in .25/35 that are very rare.
 
They are the final evolution of the pre 64 94, as Mike said. I have a mint condition deluxe and an unfired LNIB c/w hang tag, standard model both in 30-30.
 
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There are a few 64s in carbine length out there; I have a deluxe carbine in .32 SPL from 1935 with original sling, a little weak on receiver bluing but definitely a keeper!
 
They were made from 1933 -1957 they were serial numbered with the 94's 30-30 fairly common standard grade 400-$800 depending on condition i have a carbine in 60% condition nice little gun
 
Carbines are more rare. If you see one make sure it is genuine. The rear sight dovetail in a 64 rifle is five inches from the receiver, a 64 carbine has a rear sight dovetail that is four inches from the receiver. I have seen a couple rifles that were chopped to 20 inch barrels but the sight dovetail gave them away. Values for carbines are probably 50% higher than a rifle in comparable condition. Deluxe carbines are not often seen. My 64 is a standard rifle in .32 Special, well used and it has been drilled for a side mount scope. Really kills the collector value but as a hunting rifle doesn't hurt it a bit. Value wise though mine is a $400 rifle.
 
They also made M-64's for one year either in 1972 or 73. The wood was straight grained with no checking. Blueing was a high lustre for the time. It came factory equipped with detachable sling swivels. To distinguish this production run form the earlier ones the model was stamped 64-A. I was saving up to buy an engagement ring at the time and spent the money on one these 64-A's. Shot my first deer with it and sold it many years later, a sale I always regretted. I still have the little owners manual though.
 
Mike note Madis p 446 " The rear sight on twenty inch bbls and on some earlier issues of 24" bbls was closer to the receiver than on later guns". My deluxe carbine is a '35 with centre of rear dovetail to receiver about 3.06". It took me a few minutes but I just proved by calculations from scale measurements from Madis pics with ref to mag band that it wasn't shortened from the muzzle, and that if it had been shortened from a 24" bbl the original band dovetail cut would still be there (my band is closer to the fore-end than where the 24" bbl cut would be). It certainly hasn't been set back as all including bbl markings is fine there. Proper shorter front sight ramp too. The butt is packed away separately right now but for interest in here I'll dig it out and photo this one (it's not for sale or trade). Mine has the Winchester sling and swivels they describe for the "Deer Rifle" (think I saw those pictured elsewhere) but Madis doesn't seem to mention a carbine version of the "Deer Rifle" so I think of it as a Deer Rifle with special order bbl.
 
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Sounds like a nice 64 you have. If the barrel were shortened from the muzzle the diameter of the barrel would be much larger than standard and look odd. Madis contributed greatly to Winchester collectors everywhere but there is some information in his big book that has been proven just plain wrong. They did make a deluxe carbine, I have seen a couple but they are VERY uncommon. Nice that you have the original sling as these are usually absent. Post a photo of the whole rifle if you can. It would be nice to see.
 
Fairly easy to spot a fake carbine the front sights are milled to the bbl on all models not dove tailed or soldered . The 1971 NRA cenntenial is not the same rifle they have tha pot metal cast reciver
 
I have the mate to it in .32 including the side mount holes(ugh). Some 8-40 plugs will make it look a little better if you know somebody who has scoped their Marlin 336 recently they will have four of them. Like c-fbmi said around a $500 rifle but still an awesome woods rifle. Anyone who has never shouldered and handled one will be impressed by the feel of it.
 
To my eye the model 64 is the best looking lever rifle ever produced, certainly since 1900 or so! Too bad my eyes are not up to using iron sights even reasonably well any more.
 
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