Winchester and Enfield P17's value and identification?

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I am buying a Winchester 3006 p17 and Enfield 303 P17. I have no idea what these things are worth and will post pics when I can.

The Win has the matching serial numbered stock but does not appear to have a matching bolt. The rifling looks great on both and the wood does not have any cracks. It could definetly use a cleaning and some BLO but other than that both look ok.

The Enfield has some kind of brass dial on the forward left handguard? Is this for rifle nades? What is it? Laser night m203 mount maybe?:D

No chips in the wood just wear and tear. I think these will clean up nice.

What do you think, some varsol rubbed in with fine steel wool then some BLO?

What are these guns worth anyone know?

Thanks
 
The 30-06 is a US Rifle Model 1917.
The .303" is a Pattern 1914 Rifle redesignated Rifle No3 in 1926
The plate in the stock is for the dial arm of the long range sight. The long range sight consisted of a front sight on an arm pivoting on the plate and a rear folding aperture sight mounted on the bolt release. Most P14 rifles had these sights removed..
 
The P14's and M17's were all made by Remington, Winchester, and Eddystone (a subsiduary of Remington). The are commonly called Enfields, and lot's of them were reworked into sporters, both here, in the US, and in England (back when they could still have guns), which is why they show up with BSA and other English maker's markings on them. Eddystone quality can be suspect, they used "eyeball" heat treating long after the others went to actual measurements. They also are known for extremely tightly fitted barrels, you can destroy an action trying to twist the barrel off, you need to turn a relief channel directly in front of the receiver to safely remove them. Winchesters and Remingtons are worth more then Eddystones, beaters go anywhere between $50 and 150 now days, and I've seen cherry examples go for around $400. I've bubba'ed lots of these (sorry boys), and they make great big bore rifles with some (ok, lot's of) work. FWIW - dan
 
I've bought a few M17's off the board, $275-$300 in VG+/EX condition.
P14's are generally cheaper, $175-$225 in same condition.
Marstar hasa few listed on thier used gun page, $400-$750 but those prices are out to lunch and they have been sitting on them for months.
I'll take them if you don't like them or want them:) They are my favorite milsurps........
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I guess I am at the high end of asking at $225 for a P-14 I have for sale. I have often wondered why these rifles do not bring more money, same for the P-17. `Lee Enfields seem to go consistanly for more, yet the Enfields were produced in limited numbers, as far as I know only during WWI. P-14s from 1914-17, and the P-17s 1917-18. Cheers, Dave
 
Total Production

P14, 1916-17: 1,243,515
era:604,941
rem:403,126
win:235,448
P17, 1917-19: 2,486,148
era:1,354,701
rem: 585,936
win: 545,511

from C. R. Stratton, "British Enfield Rifles; Volume 4"
 
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Klunk said:
Hey...wait a minute....

I have a P-14 with '1914' stamped into the stock...

what gives?
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CAI probably stamped that on the stock. Look on the chamber under the handguard for a year. My 4 digit (53xx) P14 is stamped '16 with various british proofs and would have been built in the first couple of months of production.
 
Ya
I'd love to have a M17 or P14 in A+ shape
Just haven't been able to find one in the condition or manufacture that I want
 
Klunk said:
Hey...wait a minute....

I have a P-14 with '1914' stamped into the stock...

what gives?
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6 were made by Vickers in 1941. They were not P14's but P13's in 276 Enfield. If you have the origional stock it is just possible that you may hay a converted rifle. Doses your stock have 4 diagional grasping groves?

Vickers ltd mark is V.S.M. See if this is on your rifle.
 
Hitzy said:
CAI probably stamped that on the stock. Look on the chamber under the handguard for a year. My 4 digit (53xx) P14 is stamped '16 with various british proofs and would have been built in the first couple of months of production.
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**sigh**...people keep telling me to take my guns apart....

The stock stamp is a large circle with (I think)...

E R
1914

(imagine it surounded by a circle)

It looks like an original mark....also...the gun does not have any other CAI marks on the barrel (the most common spot)
 
I'd love to see pics of everyones p17 and 14's, so I can tell the difference between excellent condition or not.

Hard to tell with a close to 80 year old rifle.

I'll take some pics of mine on the weekend and post them
 
Winchester M1917
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ERA P14
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Remington 1917
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I don't loose any sleep over mixed parts on these, they were rebuilt after WWI, before and after WWII so it's pretty common. They used standardised drawings (eventually) and parts will interchange between win/rem/era. I like to see all blued parts on them as this was what they originally looked like. Parkerised parts were WWII rebuild additions.
 
Klunk said:
**sigh**...people keep telling me to take my guns apart....

The stock stamp is a large circle with (I think)...

E R
1914

(imagine it surounded by a circle)

It looks like an original mark....also...the gun does not have any other CAI marks on the barrel (the most common spot)
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strange, last time I was out at your house you kept showing me all your .177 pellet guns, what gives with these so called "rifles" you have?? hee hee
 
I saw a Excellent Condition EddyStone P17 for 300$ and I picked up my VG to Excellent condition Matching Winchester P14 303 off Newfie1 for 375$.

It had the mounting bracket for the from volley sight arm, SO I bought a few parts off E-gunparts. IE Volley Sight Arm, the rear volley sight and the screw. But there was 2 parts I needed to mount the from volley sight that I could NOT find, a spring a bolt with 2 holes.

Im kicking my ass for selling it, becuase now I see P14 going for 475 + for the same condition.
 
MRCLARK said:
sh%it Hitzy were did you find that mint stock?

That would save me alot of scrubbing and sanding to get mine looking good again.

Want to sell it?
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It was part of the deal with the gun.......and it's already sold.:)
It was a Boyds, they make them for the 1917.
 
Klunk said:
what...nobody has any thoughts on the stock cartouche???
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My P14 sports a 1917 stock like the top one in your pic, so I'm not sure. Looks like inspector stamp with either the year or the model. .303 P14's were not made until 1916 so it doesn't seem to fit the year. I haven't seen any year or model # stamps, usually just the inspector stamps, on US manufactured rifles from that era.
 
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