Winchester model 12

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I know absolutely nothing about the winchester model 12, but I just picked one up off the EE.

If you have some pictures I would love to see them.

Can I use it in CAS?

I searched the site but came up with almost nothing.

Please school me on the Mod12

Thanks
 
If it were still made today a model 12 field grade would sell for $2000, because it's made from so many labour intensive machined parts.

Probably is the best pump gun ever made.
 
jethunter said:
If it were still made today a model 12 field grade would sell for $2000, because it's made from so many labour intensive machined parts.

Probably is the best pump gun ever made.
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The danged things are so reliable they will even fire with a BROKEN firing pin!!:eek:
Every now and then it happens , mind you .
I have broken two over the years.
The way to check is to open the gun , then holding it muzzle down, shine a flashlight into the breach and take a peek - if you can see the firing pin protruding out of the breach block, it's broken!
WGP can sell you a new one....
Cat
 
jethunter said:
If it were still made today a model 12 field grade would sell for $2000, because it's made from so many labour intensive machined parts.

Probably is the best pump gun ever made.
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An interesting anology...would a Benelli Extrema be worth 8 grand seventy years from now? The going price on a new M12 was in the 60 dollar range during the 1950's. A near mint plain jane field grade M12 will run ya 200-300 bucks these days...if a buyer can be found.

Not many want old guns these days. Most want what the guys on Wild TV use.

If one has any type of mechanical background he/she should tear down an M12. Not too hard to see why the company went t!t's up.
 
This table will help you find the value of your model 12

The table below represents the serial numbers and production dates of
Winchester Model 12 Shotguns:

YEAR Serial Ending Quantity YEAR Serial Ending Quantity
1912 1 5,308 5,308 1938 754,251 779,455 25,205
1913 5,309 32,418 27,112 1939 779,456 814,121 34,666
1914 32,419 79,765 47,347 1940 814,122 856,499 42,378
1915 79,766 109,515 29,750 1941 856,500 907,431 50,932
1916 109,516 136,412 26,897 1942 907,432 958,303 50,872
1917 136,413 159,391 22,979 1943 958,304 975,640 17,337
1918 159,392 183,461 24,070 1944 975,641 975,727 87
1919 183,462 219,457 35,996 1945 975,728 990,004 14,277
1920 219,458 247,458 28,001 1946 990,005 1,029,152 39,148
1921 247,459 267,253 19,795 1947 1,029,153 1,102,371 73,219
1922 267,254 304,314 37,061 1948 1,102,372 1,176,055 73,684
1923 304,315 346,319 42,005 1949 1,176,056 1,214,041 37,986
1924 306,320 385,196 38,877 1950 1,214,042 1,252,028 37,987
1925 385,197 423,056 38,877 1951 1,252,029 1,290,015 37,987
1926 423,057 464,564 41,508 1952 1,290,016 1,328,002 37,987
1927 464,565 510,693 46,129 1953 1,328,003 1,399,996 71,994
1928 510,694 557,850 47,157 1954 1,399,997 1,471,991 71,995
1929 557,851 600,834 48,984 1955 1,471,992 1,541,929 69,938
1930 600,835 626,996 26,262 1956 1,541,930 1,611,868 69,939
1931 626,997 651,255 26,262 1957 1,611,869 1,651,435 9,567
1932 651,256 660,110 8,855 1958 1,651,436 1,690,999 39,564
1933 660,111 664,544 4,434 1959 1,691,000 1,795,500 104,501
1934 664,545 673,994 9,450 1960 1,795,501 1,800,000 4,500
1935 673,995 686,978 12,984 1961 1,800,001 1,854,794 54,794
1936 686,979 720,316 33,338 1962 1,854,795 1,909,588 54,794
1937 720,317 754,250 33,338 1963 1,909,589 1,964,384 54,794
 
I have 3 Model 12s at the moment,and have had many others over the years.They are an exceptionally well made shotgun,not a perfect pumpgun,but very close.I have a field gun with a 28"mod barrel with solid rib that my wife still prefers to hunt waterfowl with,though she has a number of newer guns she could use,and I still shoot clays with my Model 12 Trap.Great guns! Mur
 
Mur said:
I have 3 Model 12s at the moment,and have had many others over the years.They are an exceptionally well made shotgun,not a perfect pumpgun,but very close.I have a field gun with a 28"mod barrel with solid rib that my wife still prefers to hunt waterfowl with,though she has a number of newer guns she could use,and I still shoot clays with my Model 12 Trap.Great guns! Mur
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I own several M12 trap guns as well. Shoot two rounds of trap each week spring and fall. Always funny going to a new club and walking up to the line with a M12 Trap. After shooting the stuffy "regulars" and oldtimers invite you into their group to chat.
 
M12shooter said:
An interesting anology...would a Benelli Extrema be worth 8 grand seventy years from now? The going price on a new M12 was in the 60 dollar range during the 1950's. A near mint plain jane field grade M12 will run ya 200-300 bucks these days...if a buyer can be found.

Not many want old guns these days. Most want what the guys on Wild TV use.

If one has any type of mechanical background he/she should tear down an M12. Not too hard to see why the company went t!t's up.
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The company that made the M12 (WINCHESTER) is doing very well and has never went t**s up. The company that did fail (USRA) never made the M12... so it's hardly fair to blame the failure of USRA on the old M12. In it's day the M12 made money for Winchester. It got phased out as labour costs went up and that profitability dropped.

I didn't say a modern made M12 would be WORTH $2000, I said that it would have to sell for $2000 to make money because of the production costs of it's intricate design. A Benelli extrema isn't a good comparison because it was designed to be mass produced while the M12 was not.
 
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Winchester has gone t'''s up many times . One thing to check on your Model 12 is hold the trigger back and slowly close the trigger it should not fire until the bolt closes at the top of the stroke bolt if it does you need a new action release lever very hard to find and even more difficult to find someone that knows how to fit one.
 
jethunter said:
The company that made the M12 (WINCHESTER) is doing very well and has never went t**s up. The company that did fail (USRA) never made the M12... so it's hardly fair to blame the demise of USRA on the poor old M12.
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It is my understanding that Winchester exists solely as a trade mark/brand name owned by Olin Corporation. Winchester ammunition is a division of Olin Corporation.

Winchester branded firearms are made by Yildiz of Turkey, Miroku of Japan and FN Manufacturing Inc of the USA. NO current production Winchester branded firearm is made by Winchester.

For the record in 1981 Winchester Repeating Arms sold it's firearms division to US repeating Arms Company which in turn was bought by GIAT in 1992 along with Browning and FN Herstal. In 1997 the government of the Walloon Region of Belgium acquired controlling interest of US Repeating Arms and Browning and FN Herstal. In 2006 US repeating Arms ceased operations.

So in essence, Winchester the company, stopped producing firearms in 1981.
 
woolly said:
It is my understanding that Winchester exists solely as a trade mark/brand name owned by Olin Corporation. Winchester ammunition is a division of Olin Corporation.

Winchester branded firearms are made by Yildiz of Turkey, Miroku of Japan and FN Manufacturing Inc of the USA. NO current production Winchester branded firearm is made by Winchester.

For the record in 1981 Winchester Repeating Arms sold it's firearms division to US repeating Arms Company which in turn was bought by GIAT in 1992 along with Browning and FN Herstal. In 1997 the government of the Walloon Region of Belgium acquired controlling interest of US Repeating Arms and Browning and FN Herstal. In 2006 US repeating Arms ceased operations.

So in essence, Winchester the company, stopped producing firearms in 1981.
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Exactly. Only Winchester made Winchester Model 12 shotguns.

USRA (which is not winchester/olin corp.) did fall into financial difficulty before they were bought up by the French company - but USRA and all of the subsequent reincarnations did not make Model 12 shotguns, which was the actual point of my post.
 
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