Winchester Model 1894 value

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I have a Winchester Model 1894 Serial # 124087 20" barrel half octagon in 30WCF . I was just wondering what the value was and if the barrel had been cut or if they shipped like that.I know they manufactured 20" carbine barrels before 1900 but I'm not sure if they made them with octagon and round. Any help would be great. IMG_0203.jpgIMG_0196.jpgIMG_0194.jpgIMG_0198.jpgIMG_0195.jpg
 

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From the pics I would say your 94 has been cut off. The front sight dovetail should be one inch from muzzle face to the center of the dovetail. Your rifle's front sight looks to be farther than that from the muzzle face. Winchester did make short rifles on special order but most 20 inchers had a forend 8 3/8 inches long instead of the standard 9 3/8 inch length to make the rifle look more in proportion. Value would be just as a shooter if the bore is decent. Rifle was manufactured in 1901 according to Winchester Polishing Room records.
 
Hello,

I definitely agree with Mike's remarks above. It looks cut down to me. In addition to the smaller fore end which should be on the rifle the rear sight would also be 1 inch closer to the receiver face on a 20 inch short rifle. You can be absolutely certain of the "as built" configuration by obtaining a "factory letter" from the Cody Firearms Museum. The letter contains the information based in the original hand written production ledgers kept by Winchester at the time of production for the first 353,999 model 1894 rifles produced. Take a look at this blog post of mine. You may be interested in the more detailed date of manufacture information available from the Cody Firearms Museum.
http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/when-exactly-was-your-gun-manufactured-1404.html

If the rifle is in fact cut down then the collector value is close to nothing. As a shooter/hunter tool it is worth what somebody will pay you. Probably around $500 TOPS.

Michael
 
As the others have mentioned, you definitely need to measure the sight distances they gave. Photos can be a bit hard to take measurements from, especially if wider angle lenses are used, but if that barrel is 20" long, then the front sight looks to be in the ball park of what it should be, so a measurement is in order. I am surprised at the heavy patina on the muzzle ... I notice that the muzzle has a heavy patina on it, so if it was cut, it was cut a very long time ago. Although its collector's value is gone if the barrel has been cut down, it still has a certain amount of appeal as a vintage 'working gun'. The wood has not been sanded, which is good (never refinish or sand the wood unless it has already been destroyed by previous sanding). It has also never been re-blued, which is also good. The appearance of an otherwise un-messed with rifle is what gives it some appeal. For the right person, who really liked a working gun that had over a century of putting meat on the table behind it, they may be willing to pay $500 to $600 for it. If it is honest and un-messed with, then the value would at least double, since it is a half octagon.
 
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Little doubt in my mind the bbl has been cut. Madis says one of the most die hard standard measurements is the 3/4" from muzzle to front of front sight dovetail. Unfortunate as otherwise it would have been a double special feature US antique (half round bbl & button mag). Mike refers to polishing room record dating but I consider the more generally accepted pre 1899 serial cutoff is that number just under 148000 (quite sure ATF or the US border folks would consider yours antique). I consider yours an extra nice shooter grade. I've been disappointed in what nice shooter grade 30 cals fetch in here and I've sold more than a couple. Bore condition will make a difference. With average bore I bet it might be hard to get 600 shipped. With essentially unpitted bright and pretty sharp bore I think at least fifty more
 
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