Hello everyone, hoping someone can help me with this issue. I recently picked up a used Winchester Super X Model 1 2 and 3/4 inch. It is my first shotgun and after doing some research the first thing I did after bringing it home was check the bolt slide buffer. Sure enough it was practically gone. Installed a new one and cleaned/oiled the gun. Went duck hunting for a week and shot less than 2 boxes of Winchester Xpert High Velocity shells. Bolt slide buffer is once again pretty much destroyed. I really like the gun as it is a real soft shooter but if this keeps up I will be getting rid of it. Any ideas as to the cause of this problem and how to fix it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Winchester Super X Model 1 Destroying Bolt Slide Buffers
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Sounds to me the new buffer you installed although new might have been an original part and sitting 20 years which has made it very hard and brittle. I put the urethane ones in mine and have never had an issue . Not sure where you get them state side now. I always bought them from Bob B but he passed a few years ago.
I will check to see if I can find them or the shells are too heavy for it. I have never fired any steel shot out of any of my super x1's.
Nothing to get 25,000 rounds plus out of a buffer on target loads
Where did you get the buffer and was it rubber or urethane?? what are the shell specs
I will check to see if I can find them or the shells are too heavy for it. I have never fired any steel shot out of any of my super x1's.
Nothing to get 25,000 rounds plus out of a buffer on target loads
Where did you get the buffer and was it rubber or urethane?? what are the shell specs
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I bought the buffers from a place called Numrich Gun Parts Corp. in the U.S. Turns out they get them from a place called Vintage Gun Grips Inc. also in the States. They are reproductions made out of a black polymer which is a pretty hard plastic to the touch. The shells I was using were 1 1/16 oz. and 1 1/8 oz. Thanks.
Very familiar with both companies but not the buffers they sell. According to their site it is a hard urethane?? The urethane ones I have are not hard.
I would give one of the magnum ones wrightsgunsmiths sells a try as welll as a new recoil spring if you have not done that yet.
From feedback on another site which I will post looks like Numrich could also still passing off some NOS winchester ones.Check out the wrights site and have a look at the mag one. Good luck
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The Wrights buffer is the only way to go, I'm getting between 48-51K rounds out of them. They have also since increased the hardness ever so slightly on them, I don't know why but he did.
Not long ago a guy brought his X to me for several things but one was to replace the buffer, he had a new Nuline or Numrich one he had just received from them. It was an original Winchester, not even worth putting in to test fire.
win/64. You have been around these many years also as I know. Anything else that comes to mind that could cause this??
Agree. That was suggested to be replaced also. take care
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I called Wright's back in May and they said they no longer shipped to Canada. I ended up getting a buffer from Western Gun Parts which the lady said was the last one in stock. It seemed hard as a rock but I put it in anyway. I've only put about 50 rounds through so can't say whether it will hold up. I think it cost something like $53 with shipping.
If your at all handy cut a wee bit off the old one and face it with a thick piece of leather. Or just make up a new one from silicone and leather. It's just a bumper to cushion the bolt at it's most rear ward position so it doesn't have to be fancy just functional.
Yes I have a SX-1. I was probably one of the first fellas to have one. I shot skeet with a Win rep in the early 70's I had an SX as soon as I could get my hands on one. Have owned several. Still have the original. You may not get your hands on an original bolt cushion which was made of a little softer material than the latter ones. Thus the problems you are experiencing.
I put about 40,000 rds, through my original SX which included alot of stiff hunting loads before I replaced my bolt cushion. And then I really didn't have to I just did it to be proactive in the maintenance of the gun. These are a great shotgun. So far superior to Rem 1100. that you can not really put the two in a long term comparison. These guns were made from machined parts not stamped. Winchester could not make these guns and sell them at a competative price so thats why they eventually went out of production. Of course they cheapened a few things in the latter years like bolt cushions. 3mac's 1 on this site is probably the resident expert on SX-1's if he can't find you a decent bolt cushion your going to have to go my route and make one. He's the expert, I just shoot the dam thing,clean it, shoot it some more etc. etc, and the years keep going by and by.
Yes I have a SX-1. I was probably one of the first fellas to have one. I shot skeet with a Win rep in the early 70's I had an SX as soon as I could get my hands on one. Have owned several. Still have the original. You may not get your hands on an original bolt cushion which was made of a little softer material than the latter ones. Thus the problems you are experiencing.
I put about 40,000 rds, through my original SX which included alot of stiff hunting loads before I replaced my bolt cushion. And then I really didn't have to I just did it to be proactive in the maintenance of the gun. These are a great shotgun. So far superior to Rem 1100. that you can not really put the two in a long term comparison. These guns were made from machined parts not stamped. Winchester could not make these guns and sell them at a competative price so thats why they eventually went out of production. Of course they cheapened a few things in the latter years like bolt cushions. 3mac's 1 on this site is probably the resident expert on SX-1's if he can't find you a decent bolt cushion your going to have to go my route and make one. He's the expert, I just shoot the dam thing,clean it, shoot it some more etc. etc, and the years keep going by and by.
I'm no expert my friend just an guy like you that tossed my 1100 aside when the x1 came out in the mid 70's and loved it from day one. How could you not it was quality in every piece. My Dad and brothers were also shooters and bought some which I kept until 2-4 years ago when I decided I didnot need them all. There was 8 ?? I think in the locker with probally 6 extra barrels. A few sold at the club and I sold three here. My dad was a yank and would take them back and forth across the border when he was shooting which is how most had been touched by Bob Baumgardt for trigger work etc who was the true super x expert.
Some of the nicest wood in my opinion I have ever seen on a gun was fitted on some models. My favorite was the miss flyway special edition. Take care
Thats a gorgeous SX. Lets just say we both appreciate a well made shotgun. Iam not familar with Mr. Baurmgardt's work or reputation. Never had any work done on my trigger groups, as I never thought they needed any.
I have never had the opportunity to meet him but my Dad did on many occasion. He was a very special gunsmith that ran his shop based 100% on working on super x-1. He would do custom guns, and just about any trick work you can imagine a shotgun could require from special plating, hand made stock sets, porting you name it. He had a wicked web page with tons on write ups, pics, etc and sold every part you would ever need to keep your super x-1 working. Normally when you see a nickle plated receiver and/or fancy scrolled bolt it is a gun touched by Bob. Here is a nice write up on the x-1 and I will add a few pics of his work. My apologies to the OP for going off track a bit here but some good reading if you own a super x-1
Also if me I would not be installing any new buffer with out doing the recoil spring at the same time but that is up to you.
http://www.clayshootingusa.com/html/archive/nov_dec02/MythorMagic.pdf
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3macs1, thank you for attaching that article. Interesting, I never knew have the stuff mentioned in there. I had screw in chokes installed on my 28" barrel years ago. I took a 30" barrel, removed the rib, cut it down to 20", polished it, soldered open sights on it, reblued it. Great slug barrel for deer.
