Winchester SX3 - Failure to feed

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Hi all, I'm using my sx3 for clays with light 1 1/8 oz 23/4 target loads. Was working great before but now I'm having a 10% failure rate when cycling second round.

The gun extracts well, jams on feeding. The round gets stuck with the tip in the chamber but it's not properly aligned so the bolt wont shut. I tried cleaning it and 2-3 types of ammo but same behavior.

Is this gun known to be unreliable with target rounds?
What should I do to fix this?

Cheers,
Machinegon
 
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My 3" chambered SX-3 was flawless with target loads down to 1 ounce, but my 3-1/2" gun isn't perfect with some light loads, especially the cheap Winchester loads. I would start by properly cleaning and lubing the gun.
 
The sx3 is a very reliable gun from what I know of them . is it a 3" or 3.5"chamber gun ? you might try removing the rear stock and cleaning and very lightly lubing the action spring tube . or if the gun has seen a lot of use the action spring may need replacing . also be sure you are lightly lubing the bolt rails as well .
 
The sx3 is a very reliable gun from what I know of them . is it a 3" or 3.5"chamber gun ? you might try removing the rear stock and cleaning and very lightly lubing the action spring tube . or if the gun has seen a lot of use the action spring may need replacing . also be sure you are lightly lubing the bolt rails as well .

Hey, thanks for the advice. It's the 3 inch model
 
What dram equivalent are the loads you’re using? 2 3/4 dram with 1 1/8 oz shot gives you a load of around 1145 fps and sometimes in the cheaper promo loads like Winchester Super Targets when you combine the lower velocity shell with the cheap steel bases which expand a bit larger than brass your action doesn’t blow back with enough authority to drive the recoil spring fully rearward enabling it to come ahead with enough force to feed the next round. There is also the possibility with cheaper loads the crimp is not tapered on the end of the shell. I have seen lots of them flared outward slightly and that can cause feeding issues. Try running 3 dram loads if you aren’t already. The extra bit of oomph a 3 dram load puts out rarely fails to cycle an autolader.

There are many variations in target loads but the standard 1 1/8 oz loads are as follows:
2 3/4 dr eq 1 1/8oz shot = 1145fps
3 dr eq 1 1/8iz shot = 1205 fps
 
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What dram equivalent are the loads you’re using?

I tried the Winchester super target, Remington gun club and Challenger target. All in 2 3/4 1 1/8 oz.

It's probably going to cycle well with 3 inch loads but they're more expensive for clay shooting and the gun should take 2 3/4 loads unless their something wrong with it. It jams at least once or twice per box of 25 shells right now.
 
I tried the Winchester super target, Remington gun club and Challenger target. All in 2 3/4 1 1/8 oz.

It's probably going to cycle well with 3 inch loads but they're more expensive for clay shooting and the gun should take 2 3/4 loads unless their something wrong with it. It jams at least once or twice per box of 25 shells right now.

Ok you have misunderstood what I asked. I did not ask the shell length. I asked what dram equivalent the load was. Sounds like you are new to shotgunning? Let me try to help out. A shotshells load and velocity is measured by the weight of the charge of shot and the amount of black powder it took to equal todays smokeless powder. As black powder was measured in drams loads listed how many drams of powder they contained at one time. When the switch was made to modern smokeless powders shooters had no idea the velocity of the load as powder was now measured in grains and with so many types of powder there was lots of variance in grains to achieve loads of equal dram velocity with a given shot charge. Modern shells are usually marked on top of the box the dram equivalent so shooters know what velocity the shell is supposed to be. That is why I posted the the two standard or most popular target loads. You cannot use field loads of any length on a clays course, only target loads and in a 12 ga that is a 2 3/4” length hull with shot charges, shot size and velocities that meet approved weights, velocity and will fall within specified overshoot distances You need to determine the load you are using. Many of todays shell boxes are no longer printed with dram equivalent but with the velocity. That is why I gave you a couple loads listed so if you buy ammo you know what to look for. In your gun I would probably use 3 dram 1 1/8 oz(1200 fps) loads to ensure cycling. Often times 2 3/4 dram 1 1/8 oz (1145fps) loads are a bit light on power to work the actions on guns designed to shoot multiple length shells. The gas pistons self meter what they need to work the action but many cheap slower velocity loads lack enough power to cycle the gas valve fully.

Maybe this will help explain better.....stop the frame at the end of the video and look at the info printed on the shellbox lid.

https://youtu.be/Od_bMd3inNs
 
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Be sure to clean all carbon from the out side of the mag tube and also the inside contact surface of the piston . Lightly lube the outside of the mag when reassembling the gun . Just what you can put on with a dampened patch .
 
Ok you have misunderstood what I asked. I did not ask the shell length. I asked what dram equivalent the load was. Sounds like you are new to shotgunning? Let me try to help out. A shotshells load and velocity is measured by the weight of the charge of shot and the amount of black powder it took to equal todays smokeless powder. As black powder was measured in drams loads listed how many drams of powder they contained at one time. When the switch was made to modern smokeless powders shooters had no idea the velocity of the load as powder was now measured in grains and with so many types of powder there was lots of variance in grains to achieve loads of equal dram velocity with a given shot charge. Modern shells are usually marked on top of the box the dram equivalent so shooters know what velocity the shell is supposed to be. That is why I posted the the two standard or most popular target loads. You cannot use field loads of any length on a clays course, only target loads and in a 12 ga that is a 2 3/4” length hull with shot charges, shot size and velocities that meet approved weights, velocity and will fall within specified overshoot distances You need to determine the load you are using. Many of todays shell boxes are no longer printed with dram equivalent but with the velocity. That is why I gave you a couple loads listed so if you buy ammo you know what to look for. In your gun I would probably use 3 dram 1 1/8 oz(1200 fps) loads to ensure cycling. Often times 2 3/4 dram 1 1/8 oz (1145fps) loads are a bit light on power to work the actions on guns designed to shoot multiple length shells. The gas pistons self meter what they need to work the action but many cheap slower velocity loads lack enough power to cycle the gas valve fully.

Maybe this will help explain better.....stop the frame at the end of the video and look at the info printed on the shellbox lid.

https://youtu.be/Od_bMd3inNs

Ok I understand, I actually had to idea they sold the same type of target ammo with different velocities for shotgun shells. I'm using the 1150 fps ones as you said :/ , will try out the 1200 fps.
 
If your shooting Challenger 12 ga Target shells...they also have a "handicap" load....it's the same 3 dram load Spank was talking about. Clearly marked on the outside of the case / box.

Possibly your mag tube is filthy dirty, good chance the gas piston / gas ports are too !
A pc of scotch brite pad with some Ed's Red or Hoppes # 9 will clean the tube to new...lightly scrub, clean, wipe, the carbon off. You'll need to scrub the gas valve too. An old tooth brush with the same cleaners will do wonders for ya,

Be careful...this clay shooting, it's addicting !...lol...my son got started a couple months ago and now his golfing gear is up for sale...lmao
 
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