WK-180C WS-MCR style rifles, is one better than the other?

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Hey guys-never imagined I'd be flirting with the idea of a black rifle in this current "climate" (=Liberal), so I haven't been paying much attention to how these guns have been received, whether or not one model is better than the others, etc. Interested in 5.56/.223.

If there is a thread that discusses the differences, or outlines any issues, I'd sincerely appreciate a link. First-hand experiences (good or bad) would also be appreciated, I'd love to hear from anyone willing to share. Don't have high expectations re: accuracy, but would be interested in knowing what one might expect there, what ammo shot best, etc.

Thanks for providing some education!
 
Based on my reading both the MCR and WK are reasonably competent rifles for their price point and your experience will come down more to maybe hitting a random QC issue rather than making a fundamental mistake picking either.

MCR has a stickied thread here. For the WK maybe look into a True North Arms build. Turn it into a Lego project and customize whichever you choose to your personal desires.

The firm recommendation is buy one for sure before you can't.
 
Based on my reading both the MCR and WK are reasonably competent rifles for their price point and your experience will come down more to maybe hitting a random QC issue rather than making a fundamental mistake picking either.

MCR has a stickied thread here. For the WK maybe look into a True North Arms build. Turn it into a Lego project and customize whichever you choose to your personal desires.

The firm recommendation is buy one for sure before you can't.

Thanks for the reply Morc! If I were wanting to prepare for any future requirements the rifle might have, what would a "spare parts kit" look like, are parts interchangeable between these rifles, and which model has better customer support in Canada? (if there is a difference)

Thinking firing pins, springs, etc.

Thanks for taking a moment to reply.
 
I'd have to defer to actual owners on some of those specific questions. The only one I can directly answer is that spare parts are hard to come by as the manufacturers have been prioritizing selling complete rifles.

Wolverine had a post some time a while back detailing the exact proprietary parts and what you'd need in addition (mostly AR stuff) for the MCR. AR barrels and AR triggers are mostly compatible. To be honest I'd just call up Wolverine and ask them.
 
Bought 2 X WK 180 when they got out, both got the bolt upgrade, grandboys are in excess of 6K rounds true the rifles. All together 8 or 9 stoppages were benine issues. They are reliable and cool looking rifles
 
I’ve done a ton of reading up on them and while they have some minor issues they’re not hard to manage from what I can scrape together. Typically inexpensive replacements due to weird parts choices (roll pin for the fitting pin on the 180 for example) or QC issues. I ultimately put a couple of MCR’s on order a couple weeks ago (one for me and one for the lady) strictly because of the longer front rails and slightly heavier barrel. Otherwise the 180 was the likely choice.
 
I think there's quite a few guys wondering the same thing. I bought the MCR last year or so ago, and I think when they first came out the MCR was better than the first 180s (which seem to have several different names/models).

Then this last little while, the latest offerings and reviews from the new 180's makes me think that it's pulled ahead of the MCR. True North Arms (correct me if I'm wrong) has done some excellent marketing and advertising, showcasing all the options and improvements of the old 180.

I'm actually debating picking up a couple of these to stash away for my kids, if we end up stuck in this country. I'll go with the 180 this time, as long as it's the newer model. I haven't paid attention to the specifics though, and only refer to the 180 here as new and old, lol.



If only it had a 14" barrel, and it would be perfect. It's that goofy length Canucklehead barrel that puts the damper on all these 'not Ar15s'. That being said, thank God they're available to us...for now.
 
My buddy has an early 180 with a push in non magnetic non threaded charging handle, other than a ejector spring, it has been rock solid.
 
My buddy has an early 180 with a push in non magnetic non threaded charging handle, other than a ejector spring, it has been rock solid.

Yeah, this can be a very critical place sometimes. Take the Turknelli m4 clone, for example. There are multiple threads and endless pages of guys complaining and having problems with that shotgun. I bought one and I love it, it's been great. It makes a shotgun actually fun to shoot, instead of it just being about utility. Never had a problem with it, love to shoot it, and it just works and works.

I've had it in mind to go through those threads one day to address all the problems it supposedly has (same with the MCR). Now, I don't even think I'll bother. If it works, it works.
 
I have a WK and it has been fantastic so far. After I bought it I read some horror stories about charging handles shearing off and piston rods breaking. Have had 2200 or so rounds through mine and no issues, except minor one with my threaded charging handle keeps loosening during shooting and coming loose - I don't want to loctite it - even if I use a rod through the holes to tighten it, it comes back loose. Mine is not the original one with the magnetic handle, but it's not the newest one with the heat treated handle. I have as a precautionary measure, loctited the gas block screws, as per other owners' suggestion. There is the occasion rattle in it, but overall, it has shot great, is easy to re-acquire target (I put a Lantac Dragon muzzle brake on it), and I have had no issues with feeding or ejection it. The take apart is pretty easy. It is easy to clean but it seems to get carbon buildup easily at the end of the rods. But shooting it is a pleasure.

I would agree with the others - get one while you still can.
 
QC on the first WK models were spotty, and they had some trouble with BCG cracking due on some of the guns, so be careful of this with older used guns that haven't been fired much (anyone that's been fired a lot successfully likely had a properly treated BCG). If using the threaded charging handle BCG, it is advisable to upgrade to newer Kodiak one with the extended frill around where the screw enters the BCG, which helps prevent the handle from snapping, or purchase an upgraded high-strength steel one from SBI. Thread locking the BCG is then advisable, unless you want to tighten it constantly. Alternatively, you can get the BCG that uses the non-screw in bolt handle from Kodiak; the charging handle may cosmetically score your charging handle slot if you don't have the steel upper WK, but it otherwise will not break or fly out of the rifle. The True North Arms WK BCG seems to be the best solution, as it combines its charging handle combines an-anti rotation indexing dowel that inserts into the BCG with a threaded screw, both keeping the handle from loosening in use and preventing it from snapping off. The BCG also has a nice blingy nickel coating. I'm not sure if you can get the BCG without the TNA Enhanced Upper, but if you're not going to wait for the SBI upper, the TNA provides several upgrades over the WK default upper, including a brass piston bushing, ejection slot dust cover (though why they didn't do one for the charing handle slot I don't know) , and integrated shell deflector. The upgrades to the TNA upper provide probable equivalent reliability to the MCR for the WK upper platform.

The MCR has an improved charging handle compared to the default WK uppers; it is secured in a different manner, an I've seen no issues reported of it breaking or fling away. The gas block and other components are more likely to be properly tightened and aligned out of the box for the MCR then for the WK, at least according to reports. Some WKs are put together fine; it seems there is more variability in the QC of the assembly process on the WK then the MCR, and that may well be why people have more issues with the WK, like snapping pistons when the gas block is loose and out of alignment on a more poorly assembled WK.

The group mind consensus of CGN seems to be get an MCR first if possible, as its quality is more consistent then the WK's. Your WK may or may not, be OK. If you cannot get an MCR, get the WK and do a complete stem to stern disassembly (short of removing the barrel), re-assemble with high temperature thread locker on the gas block fasteners, and properly lubricate the firearm. For even more peace of mind with the WK, get TNA to build one for you with your preferred stock, pistol grip, trigger etc with their nicer upper, optionally using their lower that has a straight magwell and beaver-grip tail support, or when you get the firearm home optionally adding a WK specific Spectre LTD Spec 180 lower or SBI Lynx lower. Also optionally if you get TNA to build the upper, you can get them to build it with their rifle length piston op rod and a matching gas port length; this may result in more pleasant shooting impulse, and reduce some of the stress on the firearm associated with the default over-gassed nature of its recoil recovery system.

If you can wait a month or two, SBI will be releasing their own enhanced WK upper, with a DI BCG to follow. Also next month the Sterling RS18 will be released, which combines several upgrades out of the box to the 180 platform for a more premium price. Some CGN members have noted a concern with the backer of the project, as there is some controversy with their history with the firearms community; one would have to research that history and decide whether or not that precludes supporting the backer.
 
QC on the first WK models were spotty, and they had some trouble with BCG cracking due on some of the guns, so be careful of this with older used guns that haven't been fired much (anyone that's been fired a lot successfully likely had a properly treated BCG). If using the threaded charging handle BCG, it is advisable to upgrade to newer Kodiak one with the extended frill around where the screw enters the BCG, which helps prevent the handle from snapping, or purchase an upgraded high-strength steel one from SBI. Thread locking the BCG is then advisable, unless you want to tighten it constantly. Alternatively, you can get the BCG that uses the non-screw in bolt handle from Kodiak; the charging handle may cosmetically score your charging handle slot if you don't have the steel upper WK, but it otherwise will not break or fly out of the rifle. The True North Arms WK BCG seems to be the best solution, as it combines its charging handle combines an-anti rotation indexing dowel that inserts into the BCG with a threaded screw, both keeping the handle from loosening in use and preventing it from snapping off. The BCG also has a nice blingy nickel coating. I'm not sure if you can get the BCG without the TNA Enhanced Upper, but if you're not going to wait for the SBI upper, the TNA provides several upgrades over the WK default upper, including a brass piston bushing, ejection slot dust cover (though why they didn't do one for the charing handle slot I don't know) , and integrated shell deflector. The upgrades to the TNA upper provide probable equivalent reliability to the MCR for the WK upper platform.

The MCR has an improved charging handle compared to the default WK uppers; it is secured in a different manner, an I've seen no issues reported of it breaking or fling away. The gas block and other components are more likely to be properly tightened and aligned out of the box for the MCR then for the WK, at least according to reports. Some WKs are put together fine; it seems there is more variability in the QC of the assembly process on the WK then the MCR, and that may well be why people have more issues with the WK, like snapping pistons when the gas block is loose and out of alignment on a more poorly assembled WK.

The group mind consensus of CGN seems to be get an MCR first if possible, as its quality is more consistent then the WK's. Your WK may or may not, be OK. If you cannot get an MCR, get the WK and do a complete stem to stern disassembly (short of removing the barrel), re-assemble with high temperature thread locker on the gas block fasteners, and properly lubricate the firearm. For even more peace of mind with the WK, get TNA to build one for you with your preferred stock, pistol grip, trigger etc with their nicer upper, optionally using their lower that has a straight magwell and beaver-grip tail support, or when you get the firearm home optionally adding a WK specific Spectre LTD Spec 180 lower or SBI Lynx lower. Also optionally if you get TNA to build the upper, you can get them to build it with their rifle length piston op rod and a matching gas port length; this may result in more pleasant shooting impulse, and reduce some of the stress on the firearm associated with the default over-gassed nature of its recoil recovery system.

If you can wait a month or two, SBI will be releasing their own enhanced WK upper, with a DI BCG to follow. Also next month the Sterling RS18 will be released, which combines several upgrades out of the box to the 180 platform for a more premium price. Some CGN members have noted a concern with the backer of the project, as there is some controversy with their history with the firearms community; one would have to research that history and decide whether or not that precludes supporting the backer.

So for those who may be interested in replacing the Gen2 WK threaded charging handle, is there a community consensus to what is the better option - the Gen3 WK charging handle with the HT, or the SBI charging handle?
 
Now would be the time like no other to buy yourself a black rifle if you dont already own (atleast) one.

It would be reasonable to assume that following the new ministers mandate, there will be further gun control measures implmented sometime between Jan 1st and May 1st of 2022.

Buy what you can now because the same options likely wont be availible to us by summer.
 
I completely disassembled my 180C two nights ago, it was a Christmas gift to myself :)

My range is snowed in so I haven't been able to take her out yet.

Overall seems like a decently well made rig. I find the lack of dust cover and the openings where the bolt carrier ride surprising... I would prefer if debris was not so readily able to enter the firearm specifically around moving components like the carrier group.

The threaded in charging handle seems like a weak point... I'm hoping it doesn't give me any issues.

Anywho, it's Canadian made and the price point is reasonable for what you get. If I remember MCRs are pretty spendy, so I guess that's what it comes down to.

If you're taking it to Afghanistan then maybe spend the $$$. If taking it to the range, you will be happy with either.

I forgot to mention, I got an outrageous amount of mill scale out of my bolt carrier. The rifle is definetly well coated with preservation grease as well. Ensure you thoroughly clean it out of the box if you pick one up.
 
I think there's quite a few guys wondering the same thing. I bought the MCR last year or so ago, and I think when they first came out the MCR was better than the first 180s (which seem to have several different names/models).

Then this last little while, the latest offerings and reviews from the new 180's makes me think that it's pulled ahead of the MCR.
True North Arms (correct me if I'm wrong) has done some excellent marketing and advertising, showcasing all the options and improvements of the old 180.

I'm actually debating picking up a couple of these to stash away for my kids, if we end up stuck in this country. I'll go with the 180 this time, as long as it's the newer model. I haven't paid attention to the specifics though, and only refer to the 180 here as new and old, lol.



If only it had a 14" barrel, and it would be perfect. It's that goofy length Canucklehead barrel that puts the damper on all these 'not Ar15s'. That being said, thank God they're available to us...for now.

Im hoping that you are right on that...I have yet to pull the trigger as I keep waiting for the MCR to be returned into stock along with my brother, but he is the one checking and as soon as they arrive, they are gone. The Wk on the other hand seems to available without issue....Im still hesitant on whether it needs to parts replaced constantly though, as in some other threads here thats what it seems like is quite common.
 
Im hoping that you are right on that...I have yet to pull the trigger as I keep waiting for the MCR to be returned into stock along with my brother, but he is the one checking and as soon as they arrive, they are gone. The Wk on the other hand seems to available without issue....Im still hesitant on whether it needs to parts replaced constantly though, as in some other threads here thats what it seems like is quite common.

Tenda currently has MCRs.
 
I don't have experience with the 180's just WS-MCR. I have 3 of them with round count exceeding 20K for the 3 of them. One broken firing pin has been the only real problem I have had.
 
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