Wolf Nationals match 9mm ammo - what PF?
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Wolf 9 mmm
If it's 9 mm Wolf, it's minor.
Robert
If it's 9 mm Wolf, it's minor.
Robert
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i guess you were not one of the guys that got ammo from him for last years prov match....
Most remmbered to bring factory at the nats this year.
bbb
Most remmbered to bring factory at the nats this year.
bbb
Ok, to explain... 
I have left over ammo, I'm planning on giving it to others to use to shoot the Quebec provincials, I just don't want to get any surprises at the chrono. Re "it's minor" - thanks, yeah, I kind of figured that, the question is is it 126, or 130, or 135, etc - has anyone actually chronoed the ammo which was offered in Kingston as match ammo? It didn't make any difference there, since it was deemed to pass the min, but elsewhere, it will get checked...
Pop, I don't know if he had any spacial runs for the match ammo, but that's what I have, so that's what I was hoping to hear about... It's "supposed" to be 130, but it was never checked at the match...
Ohhh, and on an unrelated note, can we, for the love of God, give it a rest with last year's provincial's chrono #####ing? It wasn't setup correctly, there, lots of people didn't make their PF when they should have, done deal, life moves on... thank you...
I have left over ammo, I'm planning on giving it to others to use to shoot the Quebec provincials, I just don't want to get any surprises at the chrono. Re "it's minor" - thanks, yeah, I kind of figured that, the question is is it 126, or 130, or 135, etc - has anyone actually chronoed the ammo which was offered in Kingston as match ammo? It didn't make any difference there, since it was deemed to pass the min, but elsewhere, it will get checked... Pop, I don't know if he had any spacial runs for the match ammo, but that's what I have, so that's what I was hoping to hear about... It's "supposed" to be 130, but it was never checked at the match...
Ohhh, and on an unrelated note, can we, for the love of God, give it a rest with last year's provincial's chrono #####ing? It wasn't setup correctly, there, lots of people didn't make their PF when they should have, done deal, life moves on... thank you...
Ok, just for the record... Wolf's ammo makes minor no problem.
At the 2006 Nationals, the calibration ammo was questioned by a competitor. Because of this, he got to see the chrono sheet. If I remember correctly, it was approx. 135 PF.
Good for the shooter, bad for the officials... (See Rule 5.6.2.3)
At the 2006 Nationals, the calibration ammo was questioned by a competitor. Because of this, he got to see the chrono sheet. If I remember correctly, it was approx. 135 PF.
Good for the shooter, bad for the officials... (See Rule 5.6.2.3)
bc_shooter said:
Whoa, actually a useful post, dealing with my question... Thanks!
But, and here I am hijacking my own post, 5.6.2.3 simply deals with the accuracy of the chrono; the challenge dealt with popper calibration, and isn't that covered by appendix C1, sections 1-3, with 3 in particular:
3. Once the supply of ammunition and the designated handguns have been tested and approved by the Range Master, they are not subject to challenge by competitors.
They shouldn't have allowed the challenge, if you go by the rules.... ?
related but maybe not (?)
I used some 9mm 124gr Combat masters ammunition which I was told was 134pf.
Sure enough, at the Chrony in Kingston it was exactly at 134pf
However, a shooter from Alberta used some Combat masters .40 ammo that proved ok on a chrony in Alberta, yet I believe chronied at 169.5pf!
So I guess the problem we are running into is what Chrony is being used and the conditions. At a National event perhaps an idea of what type of Chrony is being used and under what conditions may be helpfull for the next time for future nationals (?) Am I opening up a can of worms with this suggestion? I hope not. Not all Chrony are equal.
What if the Chrony had been outside??? Would that have made a difference?
I know very little about this, as I don't reload.
ANyone care to comment on what would be helpfull. (aside from loading too hot.)
I used some 9mm 124gr Combat masters ammunition which I was told was 134pf.
Sure enough, at the Chrony in Kingston it was exactly at 134pf
However, a shooter from Alberta used some Combat masters .40 ammo that proved ok on a chrony in Alberta, yet I believe chronied at 169.5pf!
So I guess the problem we are running into is what Chrony is being used and the conditions. At a National event perhaps an idea of what type of Chrony is being used and under what conditions may be helpfull for the next time for future nationals (?) Am I opening up a can of worms with this suggestion? I hope not. Not all Chrony are equal.
What if the Chrony had been outside??? Would that have made a difference?
I know very little about this, as I don't reload.
ANyone care to comment on what would be helpfull. (aside from loading too hot.)
There should always be two chronos for redundancy, and the chronos should always be boxed with internal tungsten light rigs for consistency. They should NEVER be subject to changeable outdoor conditions. Also, the guns should be fired from a rest, and there should be no silly little window flaps or anything in front of the gun that can funnel compensator blast or muzzle blast into the chrono box. If these things are done and a decent quality chrono is used there should never be an issue to argue with the chrono stage. JMHO
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Chiming in again, as I was one of the people setting up the chrono in 2005. There are no forescent lights in Frontenac's indoor range. It was not the issue last year. And yes, although he chose (he was invited) not to actually participate in the set up the chronos, the manufacturer's sales rep for those chronos was on hand and was asked for guidance multiple times.Quigley said:
While the box probably ensured things would be better this year, the real solution was getting CED on board for the chrono this year.
CED was the chrono used at the last 3 world shoots and at any major foreign match I've ever been to.
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See the new rules under 5.8 - Match Ammo. If a Match selects an ammo supplier, that ammo supplier's ammo is deemed to make PF regardless.Popurhedoff said:
The rules exist so that travelling competitors do not have to worry about PF any more. We all know how hard it is to travel with ammo by plane or ship it these days. IPSC solved that by getting people to sell ammo at matches. The problem then occured that once someone got to the match, they didn't make the PF. (or would not buy match ammo becaue they were unsure the would make PF) By creating 5.8, IPSC ensures that if you order ammo from a match supplier, you make it. USPSA has jumped on this bandwagon big time and I have little doubt that as time moves on, finding an ammo supplier for a L3, L4 and especially L5 will be as important to a match director as finding a match sponsor.
I naturally can't speak for the other calibers, but the "long 40 Major" ammo that Wolf supplied for the nationals was 177 out of my gun (on a pact chrono) and my gun usually is on the low side compared to others based on the way I like it sprung.
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