Wolves and ravens now fair game in Saskatchewan

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http://www.leaderpost.com/technology/Farmers+green+light+shoot+ravens+wolves/9714053/story.html

Saskatchewan farmers plagued by ravenous ravens can now shoot the animals under regulatory amendments that came into force Monday.

The new regulations will also allow residents in the rural community of Weekes to hunt wolves by the end of the summer with an appropriate licence. If wolf numbers decline in the area, wolves could eventually be designated as big game animals across the province. "It's something that farmers and members of rural municipalities have been asking for," said Environment Minister Ken Cheveldayoff.

"This is a move in the right direction."

Farmers have increasingly complained about wolves on their land and about ravens attacking young livestock - particularly calves - and chowing down on grain.

"The ravens do a lot of damage to grain bags," said David Marit, president of the Saskatchewan Association of Rural Municipalities, one of a handful of groups to lobby for the new regulations. "They will poke holes in the grain bags and it causes a lot of damage to the grain inside. And once the holes are poked, it doesn't take much for the rest of the wildlife to find that."

Under old regulations, farmers facing significant losses from ravens could request a permit from the province that would allow them to shoot the protected birds. Landowners caught killing ravens without a permit would have their hunting licences suspended for a year and be fined $500 plus $50 for every bird shot.

Merit said the regulatory changes concerning hunting of ravens and wolves will allow landowners to protect their livestock and property at a time when numbers of both animals appear to "have really gone up in the last few years."

Last year, the Saskatchewan Crop Insurance Corporation compensated farmers with $201,000 for 283 animals destroyed by wolves and $68,000 for 141 animals destroyed by ravens. In 2012 - the earliest data available - the corporation paid out $134,000 for 211 animals destroyed by wolves and $53,000 for 145 animals killed by ravens.

Ryan Brook, a professor at the University of Saskatchewan who studies the interface of wildlife and agriculture, said farmers need a way to protect their livestock from a growing number of predators, but said he's not convinced the new regulations are the way to go.

"Simply just going out and shooting animals doesn't do a whole lot in terms of actual benefits," he said. "I'm skeptical as to how successful this will be."

Brook said shooting predators should be coupled with other measures such as putting up better fences, installing more lights and investing in livestock guard animals in order to be successful.
 
A step in the right direction certainly. I'm speaking here as a resident of NE Alberta. But SERM gave a bit and took a bit too.
Wolves should be a varmint designated species (at least in the forested regions) same as skunks or hares province wide.
Now one has to buy I licence to line someone else's pocket.
 
I have nothing against shooting ravens, but if it's a concern that they're "poking holes" in grain bags, how about not storing them outdoors? Seems like an easy fix.
Take care of your own mess people, why does the government need to be involved in everything? If a wolf or raven were causing problems for my livestock, I wouldn't wait to be issued a piece of paper saying that I now have permission to take care of the problem. The nanny state philosophy has taken over all aspects of life here.
 
Isn't it a standing MNR rule (in Ontario anyway) that farmers and property owners (including farmers) can harass or kill wild animals that are damaging property or a risk to livestock or personal safety? I've read that in the regulations or some code book somewhere. Sorry for the lack of references... looking.
Edit: Here it is: http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/FW/2ColumnSubPage/STDPROD_085119.html
 
Isn't it a standing MNR rule (in Ontario anyway) that farmers and property owners (including farmers) can harass or kill wild animals that are damaging property or a risk to livestock or personal safety? I've read that in the regulations or some code book somewhere. Sorry for the lack of references... looking.
Edit: Here it is: http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business/FW/2ColumnSubPage/STDPROD_085119.html

Yes, but it doesn't include any wild animal, usually only some predatory ones like bear, wolf, coyote, etc. You can't shoot a bald eagle if its after your lambs, for example.
 
I have nothing against shooting ravens, but if it's a concern that they're "poking holes" in grain bags, how about not storing them outdoors? Seems like an easy fix.
Take care of your own mess people, why does the government need to be involved in everything? If a wolf or raven were causing problems for my livestock, I wouldn't wait to be issued a piece of paper saying that I now have permission to take care of the problem. The nanny state philosophy has taken over all aspects of life here.

I think you have a wrong image of "grain bags"

More than a bit tough or cheap to store indoors
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I think you have a wrong image of "grain bags"

More than a bit tough or cheap to store indoors

I see, giant grain sausage. I was thinking the regular 50 lb bags. I've never seen those before, looks like the guys making silage bale wrappers are exploring new markets this year thanks to the rail shipping fiasco. How do you transfer it back into a truck? Grain vacuum?
 
I see, giant grain sausage. I was thinking the regular 50 lb bags. I've never seen those before, looks like the guys making silage bale wrappers are exploring new markets this year thanks to the rail shipping fiasco. How do you transfer it back into a truck? Grain vacuum?

Pretty much the idea, special auger and bag roll. Im far from knowing lots about them but they seem to be getting more and more popular in my part of the country.
I have seen the aftermath of deer or birds getting into them and making a mess and can cause unwanted moisture to get in.

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umm you can shoot animals and birds that are causeing damage except for protected birds such a ravens,eagles, hawks,owls. free to shoot wolves in southern Ontario but not northern Ontario.Nortern Ontario farmers use the 3 s program ,shoot,shovel,shutup.
 
http://www.leaderpost.com/technology/Farmers+green+light+shoot+ravens+wolves/9714053/story.html

Saskatchewan farmers plagued by ravenous ravens can now shoot the animals under regulatory amendments that came into force Monday.

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Ryan Brook, a professor at the University of Saskatchewan who studies the interface of wildlife and agriculture, said farmers need a way to protect their livestock from a growing number of predators, but said he's not convinced the new regulations are the way to go.

"Simply just going out and shooting animals doesn't do a whole lot in terms of actual benefits," he said. "I'm skeptical as to how successful this will be."

Brook said shooting predators should be coupled with other measures such as putting up better fences
, installing more lights and investing in livestock guard animals in order to be successful.


Unfortunately the newspaper neglects to publish photographs of Professor Brook's design for an anti-raven fence.
 
Just a side note to the sausages... what happened to good 'ol westeel bins on hoppers?
I work for Westeel. We are working flat our trying to build as many bins as we can. Order a bin today, expect mid summer delivery is what I hear sales saying. Last year's bumper crop and lack of movement of grain off the prairies means a LOT of grain sitting in plastic on the ground.
 
These da... tree hugging proffs make me ill.There are so many Ravens around here you cant leave any groceries, meat etc. in the back of your truck for even a few minutes and the bast...s are into it.
 
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Just a side note to the sausages... what happened to good 'ol westeel bins on hoppers?

it's more cost effective to store the grain in bags on the edge of the field it was harvested in without investing huge money into bins.

the drawback of the savings in storage cost is the potential for loss due to moisture etc.

I was joking with a buddy about Raven pokes being smaller than shotgun blasts...that will likely be the next problem...folks like to "help out" farmers...
 
^^^The oil and protein content of canola would be higher than most other food that deer can find in winter. With the extremely cold winter we had I would image they would have gone after because it would have higher value to them for less calories burned.

Grain bags are defiantly popular, but to say that they are cost effective is terribly incorrect. After just two years of using them, 8,000 bushels equivalent of temporary storage, you can very easily have paid for an 8,000 bushel hopper bottom bin which is permeant storage. The main reason for them becoming so popular is because the grain never leaves the field while harvesting. It is thought that this is where the cost savings happens because of less time lost, but actually it cost more to later move snow to access the bags in winter, grain losses during storage, and additional equipment cost like new bags every season, the equipment for empty and filling the bags, maintenance cost, etc.

My home town is in the zone that wolf hunting is being opened in. Our farm has been affected by wolves killing and wounding livestock. We have bought fur licences in the past to help try and control some of the problem packs, we haven't been overly successful. I am very curious to see what the exact laws will be regarding the licence and hunting. I plan to participate this fall.

Better fencing and guard animals wouldn't be the answer either. We have had cattle dogs killed by wolves in the past.... doesn't seem like an effective system on it's own, best when used with wolf population control which keeps wolves wary of humans and human activity. I am curious to see what a "Raven fence" would look like.
 
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