World s longest range sniper rifle to be unveiled in 2020

[Big Bad]

Oh no, 4 mile Russians!


World’s longest range sniper rifle to be unveiled in 2020

SCIENCE & TECHSEPT 10 2020NIKOLAI LITOVKIN

Dmitry Rogulin/TASS

DXL-5 ‘Havoc’ is said to be the first sniper rifle in the world capable of eliminating targets 7 kilometers (4.35 miles) away.
Russian sniper rifle manufacturer Lobaev Arms announced their latest development DXL-5, capable of hitting targets 7,000 meters (7,655 yards) away will be unveiled in November 2020.

“We’re working on the ‘DXL-5 Havoc’ project in full swing. We are currently processing the remaining parts of the rifle and are scheduled for shooting tests in November,” says Vladislav Lobaev, the owner of Lobaev Arms.

He claims the new rifle will be “revolutionary” and will be built with four different cartridge variations.

The muzzle velocity is expected to be at least from 4 to 5 Mach (ie. 4 or 5 times faster than the speed of sound). This means that bullets will fly out of the rifle with a speed of 1,200-1,500 meters per second. One of these cartridges will give the rifle the accuracy of around 70 MOA (Minute of Angle) for 3,000-meter (3,280 yd) targets, Lobaev says.

To put it simply and translate sniper terminology into common language, rifle capabilities allow even an amateur shooter to easily hit targets many kilometers away from them. Previously, it took years of professional training to teach a person to hit far away targets. For example, in mid-2017, it was reported that an unnamed Canadian special forces soldier, based in Iraq, had set a new record hitting a target 3,540 meters (3,871 yd) away.

“Our calculations suggest that we’ll be able to make our rifle even more precise with another calibre and achieve 55 MOA for targets at 3,000 meters (3,280 yd) away. If another cartridge can give us this extra flatness, that will be fantastic,” hopes DXL-5’s creator.

According to Lobaev, the main goal of the company is to make DXL-5 a comfortable weapon for any shooter, professional or amateur.

The company’s leading engineer Yuri Sinichkin says the DXL-5’s ammo surpasses characteristics of the world’s most powerful sniper rifle rounds - 12,7 x 99 mm and 12,7 x 108 mm (the ones used to take out light armored vehicles at distances of up to 2 km).

The company is developing a regular DXL-5 version together with an exclusive one, created to set world records. Lobaev Arms wants its exclusive modification to become the first on the planet capable of hitting targets 7,000 meters (7,655 yd) away. Read our special report on this DXL-5 specification.

“We will take a number of new caliber rifles to the range and figure out which one suits best for the record shot!” Sinichkin says.

DXL-5’s possible future
The new rifle is Lobaev Arms’ own project - it’s not sponsored by the country’s Defense Ministry or the Rosguard forces.

According to Sinichkin, it will be clearer if it will be adopted by the Russian military forces and produced for Special Operation units after conducting the tests. The company is also eager to produce and sell the rifle internationally.


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[Petamocto]

A cartridge and rifle being capable of pushing a bullet that far is very different than a qualified shooter actually being able to hit something with it.

Not to mention that it's not exactly pleasant to try to get a 50 cal into the middle of nowhere and then having to get it out.

It's not the gun that's the limiting factor, it's the skill of the shooter. That said, it will be interesting to see what a qualified shooter can pull off with these.

And obviously hitting a gong at a range is nowhere close to the same as an actual bad guy going down in combat.

 

[kodiakjack]

A cartridge and rifle being capable of pushing a bullet that far is very different than a qualified shooter actually being able to hit something with it.

Not to mention that it's not exactly pleasant to try to get a 50 cal into the middle of nowhere and then having to get it out.

It's not the gun that's the limiting factor, it's the skill of the shooter. That said, it will be interesting to see what a qualified shooter can pull off with these.

And obviously hitting a gong at a range is nowhere close to the same as an actual bad guy going down in combat.

But didn’t you hear?! Even amateurs can do it now!

“ The muzzle velocity is expected to be at least from 4 to 5 Mach (ie. 4 or 5 times faster than the speed of sound). This means that bullets will fly out of the rifle with a speed of 1,200-1,500 meters per second. One of these cartridges will give the rifle the accuracy of around 70 MOA (Minute of Angle) for 3,000-meter (3,280 yd) targets, Lobaev says.

To put it simply and translate sniper terminology into common language, rifle capabilities allow even an amateur shooter to easily hit targets many kilometers away from them. Previously, it took years of professional training to teach a person to hit far away targets. For example, in mid-2017, it was reported that an unnamed Canadian special forces soldier, based in Iraq, had set a new record hitting a target 3,540 meters (3,871 yd) away.”

And check out that accuracy!! 70moa at 3000 meters! That’s a pretty tight grouping of 191... FEET! Lol. Who wrote this garbage? North Korea’s press core?

 

[Tikka223]

How are you suppose to positively identify a man sized target 7km away? Are there man-portable optics that can do this? Not to mention, 7km line of sight to a target probably doesn’t happen too frequently.

 

[Potashminer]

Hard to sift the unadulterated B.S. from the very poor writing?? He wrote:

"accuracy of around 70 MOA (Minute of Angle) for 3,000-meter (3,280 yd) targets" - so that is about 2,300 inches - about 190 feet target

"rifle capabilities allow even an amateur shooter to easily hit targets many kilometers away" - really??? see above - maybe if the target to hit is 200 feet across?

"even more precise with another calibre and achieve 55 MOA for targets at 3,000 meters (3,280 yd)" - oh good, that is 1,800 inches - about 150 feet target

In 1879, US. military did long range trials with 45-70 cartridge using U.S. Army Model 1873 rifles at Sandy Hook beach. The Report of the Secretary of War, 1880, Volume III, under the chapter titled, "Extreme Ranges of Military Small Arms," had this to say:

"The firing was done by Mr. R.T Hare of Springfield Armory who has the enviable distinction, so far as is known, of being the only person in the world who has hit the 'Bull's-Eye' six feet in diameter at 2,500 yards with three different rifles, and who has ever fired at and hit so small a target as that described in this report at 3,200 yards."

No doubt Mr. Hare was a notch or two above "an amateur shooter", but still - a black powder 45-70! - the same report mentions the bullet had a 15 second time for flight from rifle to target, for 2,500 yard target - just over 20 seconds for the 3,200 yard target...

 

[wheels]

barrel is good for 1 round?

 

[SomebodyTookMyName]

check out that accuracy!! 70moa at 3000 meters! That’s a pretty tight grouping of 191... FEET! Lol. Who wrote this garbage? North Korea’s press core?

I think that's something lost in translation- sound like they're claiming 70 MOA of DROP at 3000 meters, which doesn't sound too far fetched for a big slippery Mach 4-5 projectile. Sounds interesting to me for sure, but again I don't see much here for practical application.

 

[kc34]

It's Russian so I would take this proclamation with a large grain of salt......the Russian's are always making grandiose claims of developing something phenomenal when in fact it isn't usually the case.

 

[Cameron SS]

But didn’t you hear?! Even amateurs can do it now!

“ The muzzle velocity is expected to be at least from 4 to 5 Mach (ie. 4 or 5 times faster than the speed of sound). This means that bullets will fly out of the rifle with a speed of 1,200-1,500 meters per second. One of these cartridges will give the rifle the accuracy of around 70 MOA (Minute of Angle) for 3,000-meter (3,280 yd) targets, Lobaev says.

To put it simply and translate sniper terminology into common language, rifle capabilities allow even an amateur shooter to easily hit targets many kilometers away from them. Previously, it took years of professional training to teach a person to hit far away targets. For example, in mid-2017, it was reported that an unnamed Canadian special forces soldier, based in Iraq, had set a new record hitting a target 3,540 meters (3,871 yd) away.”

And check out that accuracy!! 70moa at 3000 meters! That’s a pretty tight grouping of 191... FEET! Lol. Who wrote this garbage? North Korea’s press core?

Thanks for doing that math. Beat me to it. Surprisingly light on the details that would be needed to verify anything. Is this a 50 cal? whats the bullet? IS this a typical cartridge?

I've done tests to shoot a 50 cal bullet at 52 FPS. The gun weight 46 lbs. The barrel was a 36" straight taper 3" diameter custom job with a progressive rate of twist on the barrel. Using standard rate of twist even AP rounds tend to shed their jacket mid flight. The amount of powder you need to drive a bullet that fast would generate chamber pressures well over 300,000 PSI.

I'd love to see that gun.

At 7 km the bullet would be tumbling down from a high angle of impact with roughly the same expectation of accuracy as a rock dropped from the top of a sky scraper, so technically, a skilled shooter would have about the same probability of hit as a novice. Which is to say none at all.

How are you suppose to positively identify a man sized target 7km away? Are there man-portable optics that can do this? Not to mention, 7km line of sight to a target probably doesn’t happen too frequently.

Who said they were shooting at man sized targets? They could be disabling aircraft parked on a runway. You are correct about 7k line of sights, but if the bullet travels that far it will have a high trajectory and so you don't even need line of sight to engage. SO perhaps this is expected to be used with a forward observer, or a UAV.

This may not even be fitted with an optic. It could be fitted with a digital fire control system that uses math and gyros to predict fall of shot and project it onto a map. The shooter need only pull the trigger when the plot looks correct. In fact you could program the FCS to activate the trigger when the gun appears on target.

The technology to fire a shot at a target 7 km away isn't new. Doing it with a .50 cal or some other small arms inert cartridge isn't new either. About the only thing new here is attempting to call that kind of a device a sniper rifle.

I think that's something lost in translation- sound like they're claiming 70 MOA of DROP at 3000 meters, which doesn't sound too far fetched for a big slippery Mach 4-5 projectile. Sounds interesting to me for sure, but again I don't see much here for practical application.

That's a charitable interpretation. If anyone speaks Russian they can confirm. For me I was lost right away when a Russian firearm inventor named the gun something in English.

They haven't given us enough info about the ammunition to predict what a reasonable drop would be, but I suspect to fire conventional 50 cal ammo at 7km, even with MV of 1,500 MPS, you'd be looking at hundreds of meters of altitude at the apex of trajectory.

 

[deckerhead]

I call BS............"Russian fake news"

 

[kthomas]

The Russians aren't going to make anything worth talking about.

Check out Hoplite Arms and their plans to bring some new high pressure rounds and rifles to shoot them to the market. They are already starting the manufacturing of their rifle platforms, current ones being produced are built around regular SAAMI spec rounds, but in the near future (probably a couple of years out), they should be debuting some high velocity/high pressure rounds with rifle systems to match.

 

[PatchRat]

I'm liking Cameron's idea of a fire control system linked to a drone. Its certainly feasible with current tech.

 

[Alpheus]

Well, for a start, the 70moa was obviously meant to be the drop at 3000yds and was lost in translation.
Second, Mach 4 is 4500fps. For comparison, a M829 120mm sabot from an M1 Abrams has a muzzle velocity of around 5100fps.
Third, I was playing around with a ballistics calculator. A 408 Cheytac 419gr bullet at 2850fps has about 148moa of drop at 3000yds.

I wonder if this "sniper rifle" is actually some kind of light gas gun...

 

[shaolin555]

soooooo they're reinventing the artillery cannon and calling it a sniper rifle?

 

[45ACPKING]

will it have the thing that goes up?
and will it shoot into space?
will it have a chrome lined barrel?
and finally, will it accept AR-10 pitsol mags?

must haves for me to bite the hook.

 

[SomebodyTookMyName]

will it have the thing that goes up?
and will it shoot into space?
will it have a chrome lined barrel?
and finally, will it accept AR-10 pitsol mags?

must haves for me to bite the hook.

CGN comedy gold right here

 

[kodiakjack]

Well, for a start, the 70moa was obviously meant to be the drop at 3000yds and was lost in translation.
Second, Mach 4 is 4500fps. For comparison, a M829 120mm sabot from an M1 Abrams has a muzzle velocity of around 5100fps.
Third, I was playing around with a ballistics calculator. A 408 Cheytac 419gr bullet at 2850fps has about 148moa of drop at 3000yds.

I wonder if this "sniper rifle" is actually some kind of light gas gun...

I’ve never heard drop referred to in “moa” before...

The whole point of using “moa” for accuracy is that it allows the reader to interpolate accuracy at unspecified distances. One can reasonably guess what the group size will be at any given distance, because the variation from the point of aim is (relatively) constant.

But drop? Drop is exponential. It’s not a constant. To say the Cheytac drops 148 moa at 3000yards is an extra and unnecessary calculation. It doesn’t translate to any other distance. It’s easier to just say it drops 370 feet at 3000 yards.

 

[adamg]

I’ve never heard drop referred to in “moa” before...

The whole point of using “moa” for accuracy is that it allows the reader to interpolate accuracy at unspecified distances. One can reasonably guess what the group size will be at any given distance, because the variation from the point of aim is (relatively) constant.

But drop? Drop is exponential. It’s not a constant. To say the Cheytac drops 148 moa at 3000yards is an extra and unnecessary calculation. It doesn’t translate to any other distance. It’s easier to just say it drops 370 feet at 3000 yards.

Agree to disagree.

 

[kthomas]

I’ve never heard drop referred to in “moa” before...

The whole point of using “moa” for accuracy is that it allows the reader to interpolate accuracy at unspecified distances. One can reasonably guess what the group size will be at any given distance, because the variation from the point of aim is (relatively) constant.

But drop? Drop is exponential. It’s not a constant. To say the Cheytac drops 148 moa at 3000yards is an extra and unnecessary calculation. It doesn’t translate to any other distance. It’s easier to just say it drops 370 feet at 3000 yards.

WTF you talking about Willis?

It makes perfect sense to talk about drop in MOA or Mils. I'm not sure what units your scopes elevation adjustments and reticle is in, but mine happens to be in mils. If you told me when I'm behind the rifle that I had to hold over 'X' amount of feet/inches/centimeters/furlongs, it doesn't really mean anything and I don't have any meaningful way of measuring that with the tools at hand.

However, I can measure with mils (or MOA if that's the unit my scope used). If you told me that I had to hold 37 mils for a target at ~2,300 yards for my 6.5 creedmoor, that's something that I can precisely account for. If you say that I have to hold over 120 feet, 5 elephant widths, or to "just put a little sunlight over the targets back", that's not a meaningful measure that I can account for with my scope turrets and reticle.

There isn't any extra calculating, because you shouldn't be working out your ballistics in feet for most purposes anyways, besides say understanding what your max ordinance is and understanding where that puts the projectile in regards to the terrain and the adverse effects that may come from that. Your ballistic software should be putting all the firing solutions out in MOA or mil, so you can adjust for it with the tools at hand.

Where most of us shoot, there isn't a giant measuring tape next to the target where we can precisely put our hold over in feet/meters/crocodile tails. But we can precisely account for and measure drop with our reticles.

 

[Alpheus]

I'll have a go.

I’ve never heard drop referred to in “moa” before...

You're kidding, right? Do you own any scopes? Every noticed how the adjustments are measured in moa (or mils)?

The whole point of using “moa” for accuracy is that it allows the reader to interpolate accuracy at unspecified distances. One can reasonably guess what the group size will be at any given distance, because the variation from the point of aim is (relatively) constant.

Nothing wrong there.

But drop? Drop is exponential. It’s not a constant. To say the Cheytac drops 148 moa at 3000yards is an extra and unnecessary calculation. It doesn’t translate to any other distance. It’s easier to just say it drops 370 feet at 3000 yards.

When your ballistics solver tells you moa, your scope adjustments are in moa, your reticle hashmarks are in moa, your group size is in moa, why TF would you convert only the drop to x feet at z yards?
No, its not easier and converting to linear measurements is the unecessary calculation, not the other way round.