Worst performing big game load?

I think what this thread has established is the fact that there is not one bullet/cartridge combination that is good for all game animals all the time.

I am not an expert but back when about all that was available for the reloader were Sierra, Hornady and Speer bullets, Sierra were the quickest to blow up, Hornady were in the middle and Speer were much tougher. It was rare for a Sierra to stay together, Hornady mushroomed and often did not pass through. Speer would usually pass through. Factory Remington Bronze tips were quite devastating as the were like a hollow point with a tip... not unlike Ballistic tips today. Winchester Silvertips also really opened up. Great killers on lighter game but not reliable of heavy skinned game at higher velocities. There always were some custom bullets designed to hold together and Nosler came out with the Partition bullet. At higher velocities and heavy game they perform really well. At slower velocities (longer distances) and light skinned animals they often don't expand much at all.

You have to decide what you are hunting and do you want a devastating kill with all or most the energy from the bullet left in the animal, or a pass through with less energy left in the animal. Shot placement is also extremely important. For game animals there is nothing better than a broadside heart/lung shot through the ribs.... Hopefully with no exit as far as I am concerned. The animal is quickly bled out and won't go far. Dangerous game is different - breaking shoulders is considered the safe way. One bullet will not do both of these jobs well.

I hunt mostly game animals with Hornady bullet usually. Here is a picture of the 139 Hornady that went through the chest at a downward angle and stopped short of going through the far shoulderbone. It expanded to .60 caliber and still weighs 125 grains.

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I think it's also safe to assume that EVERY bullet out there will fail under certain circumstances, just like EVERY bullet out there will perform perfectly in certain circumstances.

It all comes down to using an appropriate bullet for the situation most likely to be encountered, which as we all know, is quite hard to do since things rarely go as planned.

But, even still, my beloved .30-06 180gr Partition load has never let me down, even when it has "failed". Sure, I shot a nice doe broadside at no more than 15 yards, and yes, it did pass right through and probably did not expand all that much (entrance was about the same size as the exit). But in passing, it destoyed the heart as well as damaging at least one lung. In my view, that is better performance than blowing up before reaching the vitals.

It's easy to blame the bullet when the hunter fails to do their part...
 
I started handloading in 91 or 92 because of a few deer shot with the 180 grain winchester power point..the bullets went through and the deer took off and all three ran a long way before I found them.The final straw was the third that I did not find until the next morning after the ravens ate the thing down to bones.The power point worked good on moose but after the lost deer I loaded 165gr hornady interlocks for deer and haven't looked back.Used 180 grain partition for moose that worked very well also.Now use the 375 for moose .,
 
Remington Accelerators of any kind Although not a big game ctg,I tried the ones for 30-06 at the range in hopes of taking some coyotes,When I discovered how inaccurate they were I promised myself (and still hold this promise) that it would be beneath me to shoot anything with these.I guess they seemed like a good idea at the time!
 
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Hey
I shot a blcktail that was quartering away and was above me. the deer dropped and then took off. I got the deer later but found the bullet had hit the shoulder blade and deflected off and out about 18" away from the entry hole. The bullet was .243 100gr hornady
 
Amphibious said:
150gr GameKings out of a .270win. even at 270ish yard it still exploded.


How long ago was this? A friend of mine has used this bullet from the Federal High energy loads. It is always found on the far side of moose. His wife uses this gun too and the results have been the same. I would guess that they have shot 6 or 7 moose, 4 black bears and quite a few deer. After seeing with my own eyes how well this bullet penetrates I phoned Sierra. They told me that they make this bullet much stiffer than thier regular Gamekings. It realy does work well on large game.

I know this because whe my friend started using them I went on and on about how the "Gernadekings" blow up bla bla bla then found myself eating crow when they prefromed flawlessly.
 
I also bought a box of accelerators for fun for my/06 and never did find out where any of them hit.So I guess it is not fair to comment on their performance on game.The game was quite safe with them in my rifle
 
A Winchester 115gr Combined Technology Ballistic Silvertip ( Nosler Ballistic Tip with Lubalox ) driven out of a 257Wby @3400fps

Drilled a tiny antelope @ about 300 broadside in the lungs . Dropped it like lightning but the bullet completely exploded and didn't exit. Largest piece was 15gr . Found most of the jacket . I shoot Swift A-Frames now out of that rifle now
 
Big Redd; Sure a good thing I saw that "wink" in your post, since I am one of the guys that uses the "Fossil" Partition Bullet. :eek: Been using them for over 40 years, and have yet to see one let me down. I'm talking a trainload of game here, and by now I should have experienced this failure to expand, but it just hasn't happened, even at the mild speeds of the 300 Savage and 7x57. Not saying it never happens, just saying I haven't had it happen to me. I have seen two that shed the rear core after tumbling in game, but even that is quite rare. I do like the new Accubond so far, but only 4 head of game isn't enough yet to make a real meaningful observation.Time will tell, I guess. In the meantime, this ole fossil isn't ready to chuck the Partition.;) Regards, Eagleye.
 
No worries E/E... I hate to admit it but I have taken my Moose with nothing but 180gr Partitions from 300WM. I have only had and witnessed problems using them on deer and black bears. I guess my only complaint is they are truly a big game bullet.
We all know the Game is bigger in your neck of the woods...;)

The Hornady bullets are another story altogether....:rolleyes:
 
todbartell said:
what cartridge?

.308 in Wincheapster factory power point 180 grs.

I thought hey, who needs good ammo for little blacktail right :confused: Wrong again. At least this little experience was partly to blame to get me to start reloading. I will never use cheap bullets on game again :)
 
How many times is it actually bullet failure and how many times is it using the wrong head. To illustrate I shot a small whitetail doe at close range with my 338 using 225 partitions it ran a long way(200 yards) before tipping over with a solid lung shot. (failure) two weeks later the same load bang flops a larg cow elk on a quartering away angle (Success).

That and if it worked as designed did the bullet fail, according to Nosler Accubonds and partitions are designed to loose about 40% of there wieght at impact. This is illustrated by the Barnes video (oddly enough). But there is a school of thought that "Priemium" bullets should retain almost if not all of their starting wieght. So you end up with a guy posting that the accubond recovered from an animal at 60% retention was a failure, when in actual fact it was not.

So did the bullet "fail" or did it work right and you had the wrong expectation or did you use it wrong.
 
By far, the worst bullet I've used was a .257 cal Hornady 120gn HP.
I loaded it in my 303/25 and used it on some feral goats last year.
I hit one nanny in the boiler room from about 30yds and the goat just stood there.
Finally, after another couple of bullets, including one at close range to the head, we skinned her and found the bullet completely expanded, lead core next to it, resting against the skin.
Never again.
I'm sticking to 90gn HPBT Sierra GameKings for the '25.
Funny thing about the fairly condemning things people have said about Nosler BTs and Speer Hot-Cors, since both have turned out to be the most accurate bullets in my 8x57.
I guess I'll have to see how they go on game.
 
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