Would you support Canada asking to join USPSA?

Should Canada ask to join USPSA instead of IPSC

  • Yes, IPSC rule changes are increasingly hard to swallow.

    Votes: 31 27.2%

  • Yes, USPSA rules more closely align with my view of the sport.

    Votes: 32 28.1%

  • Yes, I only shoot in Canada and the US, so it makes sense.

    Votes: 19 16.7%

  • I'm not concerned enough to care either way. Let's shoot.

    Votes: 20 17.5%

  • No, IPSC is International and we need to move with the times.

    Votes: 12 10.5%

  • No, the rule changes lead to a better game in the end.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, I shoot Internationally and don't want the aggravation.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    114
  • Poll closed .
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I'm hoping to avoid a long rehash of grievances, grudges, and political nonsense. There are already many threads outlining theses issues with the IPSC World Body, and I don't think we need to relive them here.

My question is simple. Do you feel Canada is better served as a member of IPSC and using it's rule book, or would being a seperate area of USPSA more suit your needs.

I'll post a variety of poll questions to try and catch a wide spectrum of opinion. If your view isn't represented, please speak up. Otherwise, could we keep replys to simply, "Voted".
 
Canuck223 said:
I'm hoping to avoid a long rehash of grievances, grudges, and political nonsense. There are already many threads outlining theses issues with the IPSC World Body, and I don't think we need to relive them here.

My question is simple. Do you feel Canada is better served as a member of IPSC and using it's rule book, or would being a seperate area of USPSA more suit your needs.

I'll post a variety of poll questions to try and catch a wide spectrum of opinion. If your view isn't represented, please speak up. Otherwise, could we keep replys to simply, "Voted".
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Maybe this exposes my ignorance; but, why do we have to choose? Can Canada not support being affiliated with both bodies? Are there exclusivity issues in the membership conditions?
 
NRA4Life said:
Maybe this exposes my ignorance; but, why do we have to choose? Can Canada not support being affiliated with both bodies? Are there exclusivity issues in the membership conditions?
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Individuals can join USPSA, but mainly for classification reasons. (ie those Canadians who shoot regularly in the US)

To be a member of IPSC, you have to belong to the section where you live.

USPSA is the IPSC section representing the US. They currently operate under a different rule book. The reasons are too long to explain for the purposes of this thread.
 
Put me down for in the middle. There is some good in both sets of rules. I like the USPSA holster rule for production. But don't feel that production and gunsmith are words that should be used in the same sentence. What I am saying is we should do what USPSA did. Stay part of IPSC world but run are matches here in Canada under are own rule book. For those recommending just joining USPSA. How many Canadians do you think would make the USPSA world teams? The Americans can't get all the shooters they have now in to there nationals. What would happen there?
I think we could probably work out some reciprocal arrangement with USPSA where they recognized are classification and us there's where one would only need to be a member of (CPSA?) or USPSA to shoot matches.
 
Canuck223 said:
Individuals can join USPSA, but mainly for classification reasons. (ie those Canadians who shoot regularly in the US)

To be a member of IPSC, you have to belong to the section where you live.

USPSA is the IPSC section representing the US. They currently operate under a different rule book. The reasons are too long to explain for the purposes of this thread.
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There is some disconnect. Basically you have to be an USPSA member in order to shoot USPSA sanctioned matches. The members of USPSA living in US are also get IPSC membership, but not the other way around. There is very limited number of IPSC matches in US.
 
If anything, I would rather see a CPSA type of thing happening. As it stands now, we are on the cusp of reversing oppressive firearm legislation, and I think we can become a beacon of hope for countries that are even more restrictive than ours. I feel some of the rule changes that are proposed, are directed towards a restrictive nature, and by going along with them, only hurts firearm owners the world over! Becoming an extension of USPSA does nothing to further the cause of changing the attitudes of countries that would further restrict our sport.
 
euxx said:
There is some disconnect. Basically you have to be an USPSA member in order to shoot USPSA sanctioned matches. The members of USPSA living in US are also get IPSC membership, but not the other way around. There is very limited number of IPSC matches in US.
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Euxx, stop leading the gang astray...

Refer to rule 6.4.1 of the USPSA Handgun Competition Rules:

6.4.1 All competitors must be individual members of USPSA, or a current
member of their IPSC region, for Level II and above competitions.

USPSA membership has it's perks... (Front Sight Magazine and inclusion into membership database) but it is not mandatory.

Phil
 
I have to say I'm a little surprised at how the numbers are playing out.

After two days and almost 60 votes, only 20% seem to want to hold to the staus quo. I expected a less skewed result.

It will be interesting to see if the numbers change much over the week.
 
A year ago you might have seen a different result but the new proposed rules are really showing how out of touch IPSC has gotten.
 
I haven't voted, but I fail to see the need to join USPSA. IPSC will never recognize Canada as a member of USPSA, so we will need to maintain our membership fees to IPSC as our own organization anyways.

Furthermore, I find it highly doubtful that USPSA will take Canada under its wing. Include the fact that I don't think we have any USPSA RO's in Canada. We would have to retrain all of our RO's under the USPSA system, and I do not see USPSA sending up trainers to Canada for that purpose, or taking the time and effort to train RO instructors for Canada.

Far simpler to remain "IPSC Canada" and adopt our own rule book, even if it only happens to be the USPSA rulebook. Just realize that our matches will not receive IPSC sanctioning and will therefore not count towards IPSC presidents medals and all the benefits that they include. Why do you think that USPSA has its own "USPSA President's Medals" instead of the IPSC ones?
 
hungrybeagle said:
I haven't voted, but I fail to see the need to join USPSA. IPSC will never recognize Canada as a member of USPSA, so we will need to maintain our membership fees to IPSC as our own organization anyways.

Furthermore, I find it highly doubtful that USPSA will take Canada under its wing. Include the fact that I don't think we have any USPSA RO's in Canada. We would have to retrain all of our RO's under the USPSA system, and I do not see USPSA sending up trainers to Canada for that purpose, or taking the time and effort to train RO instructors for Canada.

Far simpler to remain "IPSC Canada" and adopt our own rule book, even if it only happens to be the USPSA rulebook. Just realize that our matches will not receive IPSC sanctioning and will therefore not count towards IPSC presidents medals and all the benefits that they include. Why do you think that USPSA has its own "USPSA President's Medals" instead of the IPSC ones?
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All perfectly valid concerns.
 
hungrybeagle said:
I haven't voted, but I fail to see the need to join USPSA. IPSC will never recognize Canada as a member of USPSA, so we will need to maintain our membership fees to IPSC as our own organization anyways.

Furthermore, I find it highly doubtful that USPSA will take Canada under its wing. Include the fact that I don't think we have any USPSA RO's in Canada. We would have to retrain all of our RO's under the USPSA system, and I do not see USPSA sending up trainers to Canada for that purpose, or taking the time and effort to train RO instructors for Canada.

Far simpler to remain "IPSC Canada" and adopt our own rule book, even if it only happens to be the USPSA rulebook. Just realize that our matches will not receive IPSC sanctioning and will therefore not count towards IPSC presidents medals and all the benefits that they include. Why do you think that USPSA has its own "USPSA President's Medals" instead of the IPSC ones?
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Lol..yeah, what benefits are you talking about? I have a couple and I don't recall getting any benefits, for that matter I've never recieved all the Presidents medals I earned for Level III wins...
I second the idea of staying IPSC Canada and just writing our own rule book. The US went that route and it hasn't really affected them in the long run. Creating a new org. would be a huge amount of work and split the shooters and like last time, in the end nothing would change anyways. Far better for us to write our own rule book that aligns us closer to the US rules especially where targets, Divisions, and PF are significantly different.
 
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