Would you support Canada asking to join USPSA?

[paulz]

I second the idea of staying IPSC Canada and just writing our own rule book. The US went that route and it hasn't really affected them in the long run. Creating a new org. would be a huge amount of work and split the shooters and like last time, in the end nothing would change anyways. Far better for us to write our own rule book that aligns us closer to the US rules especially where targets, Divisions, and PF are significantly different.

agreed!

 

[PH Racing]

You forgot HOLSTERS!!

Ok, lol, I didn't list ALL the differences, there are quite a few.

 

[maurice]

I have not voted, because I think it is a bit premature. Nothing has been passed, and won't be until the assembly. How the Jesus or Allah I am not booted is beyond me, but I have been collecting advice from Pro shooters, trainers, etc. I have heard back from some of the best instuctors in the world, and even a world champion. I am most concerned about the holster proposal. The Sight picture does not really effect me, but made no sense saying it would save time. The few times I shot Open I took a sight picture to varify the damn thing was on, and was bright enough. It is just smart to make sure it is on correctly. The trigger weight proposal, was IMHO, unfair to CZ shooters (again, did not effect me, as I shoot a tanfoglio).
The holster proposal almost seems like something Vince has been dwelling on. It was shot down years earlier, and I hope it gets shot down again.
The 4 original rules at gunsite were brought up....and the expert I asked was (is) a Gunsite instructor. The 3rd rule, "keep your finger of the trigger until you are aiming at a target" is meant to keep the shooter safe, in the event you should sweep any part of your body on the draw. Another well known instructor with his very popular DVD series said it is nearly impossible to not cover some part of your body with a OWB holster, and not sweeping was meant to cover opening doors, windows, etc ,..so the shooter did not shoot himself in the arm..e.tc....

 

[stormbringer]

One thing that is important to remember.........the ADVANTAGES to having a Canadian born system.

FREEDOM!!

Not being held hostage by tin pot dicators from far away lands. Not having countries with even more inane laws then Canada calling the shots and changing the game to suit THEIR laws only and ignoring ours.

 

[Weeman]

CPSA works for me . The multi gun, shotgun & rifle seem far more inline with how I see the sport. The continuous rule change thing sucks. People buy equipment the rules change they buy more equipment etc.. When dose it end?

 

[PeterPan]

IPSC president it happens to be Canadian

 

[Quigley]

carefull what you wish for...

We are still feeling the effects of that boondoggle.

With a majority Conservative Governmemt...this is the time we should all be working together...not splitting down the middle (again)

CPSA works for me . The multi gun, shotgun & rifle seem far more inline with how I see the sport. The continuous rule change thing sucks. People buy equipment the rules change they buy more equipment etc.. When dose it end?

 

[stormbringer]

carefull what you wish for...

We are still feeling the effects of that boondoggle.

With a majority Conservative Governmemt...this is the time we should all be working together...not splitting down the middle (again)

I do not see anyone arguing AGAIST the idea........that should speak volumes.

If the 2012 rules are voted in..........it is evidence enough that the system is broken. That IPSC is broken. Due to the voting system it is impossible to put in the fixes required to make it right. You can try as you might but it will remain broken.

If action is NOT taken against the individual who THREATENED a member of IPSC Canada then it is sufficient evidence that IPSC has slapped CANADA in the face.

Please tell me how you "work together" with an individual who BANS you for disagreeing with him? Where is the chance to "WORK"...........the answer of course is there is none.

 

[Slavex]

I haven't voted cuz I also agree with the Canadian only option. Hungrybeagle's suggestion makes the most sense. But it's all well and good to say all this, but what are the chances IPSC would even allow it to happen? I doubt we'd get the same acceptance that the USA has in this regard.

 

[7.62mm]

I doubt we'd get the same acceptance that the USA has in this regard.

And that in itself would speak volumes!

 

[JohnMc]

The 4 original rules at gunsite were brought up....and the expert I asked was (is) a Gunsite instructor. The 3rd rule, "keep your finger of the trigger until you are aiming at a target" is meant to keep the shooter safe, in the event you should sweep any part of your body on the draw. Another well known instructor with his very popular DVD series said it is nearly impossible to not cover some part of your body with a OWB holster, and not sweeping was meant to cover opening doors, windows, etc ,..so the shooter did not shoot himself in the arm..e.tc....

OMG, did Jeff just sweep himself.

 

[maurice]

looks grainy,...but his finger is outside the trigger...

 

[Quigley]

Please tell me how you "work together" with an individual who BANS you for disagreeing with him? Where is the chance to "WORK"...........the answer of course is there is none.

He was booted off GV...it's just an online forum.

Mike can still pass his feedback to Rachel...who passes it on to Sean...who votes at the General Assembly

 

[stormbringer]

He was booted off GV...it's just an online forum.

Mike can still pass his feedback to Rachel...who passes it on to Sean...who votes at the General Assembly

Right and you do not see that as a problem?

I got booted from GV for saying that VP was standing in quicksand when he said he was 1 inch from BEDROCK! Does that not tell you something?

It is all indicative that the system is BROKEN! It is not broken in Ontario (well a tad bent) it is not broken in Canada! It is Broken at the TOP! That is a huge problem. If the GV is where we are supposed to "discuss" issues that revolve around IPSC how can we contribute if we are banned for disagreeing with VP?
I understand that at this VERY MINUTE there is a thread that revolves around a clay target from the Pan Ams. MY TARGET..........I CANNOT ADD TO THAT THREAD! I cannot provide details that might be germain to the topic. I cannot EDUCATE those people who will then talk to their RD and have those RDs VOTE!

 

[pmt]

I haven't voted cuz I also agree with the Canadian only option. Hungrybeagle's suggestion makes the most sense. But it's all well and good to say all this, but what are the chances IPSC would even allow it to happen? I doubt we'd get the same acceptance that the USA has in this regard.

That's like saying your wife won't allow you to divorce her.

I'm just thankful that I live 2 minutes from the border. I find myself shooting more USPSA and less IPSC lately.

 

[Slavex]

what I mean to say is that we can seperate from IPSC but the cost might be that those of us who shoot internationally might lose out on being able to do that. As IPSC World might just say, go ahead, leave, create your own whatever, but you aren't a part of IPSC anymore. If the USA tried to go their own way now and retain the workings that are in place now I bet they'd have a hard time getting it approved. they'd end up being totally seperate most likley, with no ability to send teams to the Worlds.

 

[johnespos]

what I mean to say is that we can seperate from IPSC but the cost might be that those of us who shoot internationally might lose out on being able to do that. As IPSC World might just say, go ahead, leave, create your own whatever, but you aren't a part of IPSC anymore. If the USA tried to go their own way now and retain the workings that are in place now I bet they'd have a hard time getting it approved. they'd end up being totally seperate most likley, with no ability to send teams to the Worlds.

"The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few."
Spock, Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Kahn.

The few who shoot Internationally will find a way.

 

[PH Racing]

I guess the question is, if these are the rules you have to play by (assuming they go through) would you still want to shoot internationally?

 

[Slavex]

Yes. I would definitely still want to shoot internationally, even with stupid rules. World Shoots are fun, but even better are the matches I make each year in other countries. It gives me a good reason to travel there, shoot, and enjoy my holidays.

 

[Opcx6]

I would prefer a return to the 'practical' side of what IPSC used to be. Failing that perhaps 'practical' should be removed and replaced with 'fun', or something more appropriate because it certainly isn't practical.