WSM vs Win Mag / Rem Mag

[Republic of Alberta]

The whole shooting sports industry is market driven... what would you guys rather see... no new development. No advertising campaigns. No Gun Magazines. No lobby for our shooting and hunting rights. You guys have your heads in the sand.... deep.

That's the point, there has been no new development with the WSM, it's just a variation of tecnology that already exists.


The same thing happend with the 7x57 and the 7-08 as well as the 6.5x55 and 260. Short action rifles duplicating existing rounds.

Old news.

 

[mylesrom]

I think a selection of all different kinds of rifles and calibers is good. You don't like them, don't buy them. New cartridges may or may not be superior over an old one, But you have a choice... If you don't like Magnums, WSMs, Weatherby's, or whatever, you don't have to slam someone elses choice because they may like it. You don't like it, Don't spend you money on it.

Why do we need 300 different types of cars out there. All will get you from point A to B.....

A 30-06 would do everything you need, but it would make this site awfully boring.

 

[Win/64]

So you've waited all year for this 12 hour drive.moose hunt up north but you forgot your ammo at home (or ran out).and all the outfitter has is .270 win. and 30-06 springfield.

 

[mylesrom]

Well according to your theory, everyone who doesn't hunt with a 270 or 30-06 is wrong.

If you forget your ammo while packing for a trip, maybe you really shouldn't be going....

Hate to tell you this even the C0-OP store in my little home town carries about 15 choices of ammo.

 

[catnthehatt]

So you've waited all year for this 12 hour drive.moose hunt up north but you forgot your ammo at home (or ran out).and all the outfitter has is .270 win. and 30-06 springfield.

Most of the stuff i like to shoot is not available at your local ( or any store for thsat matter!) gas station.
I like to wildcat, and for the last 4 years have been using the WSM and WSSM cases for 6.5's.
They work very well.
I also hunt with my BP cartridge rifles.

I shoot what I like for various reasons, but to put it in Layman's terms, it is the same as driving a souped up muscle car or a custom hot rod as opposed to a factory charger or or one of those jacked up 4X4's.
I don't care what it is as long as it has 4wheel drive and a box!

I also have a .303 I could hunt with I guess, but even that would be shot using custom handloaded ammo.

Cat

 

[BIGREDD]

That's the point, there has been no new development with the WSM, it's just a variation of technology that already exists.


The same thing happened with the 7x57 and the 7-08 as well as the 6.5x55 and 260. Short action rifles duplicating existing rounds.

Old news.

I could say the same thing about your argument Rep... it is just a variation of the same old dismissal of anything new.
Nobody is slamming the 7-08 or the .260 as useless or just advertising hype now are they! But when they were first released you can bet that guys with your attitude did just that.

You can whine and cry all you want but the truth is this technology has spawned a whole generation of new rifles with short and super short actions that can handle higher pressures than ever before. As well as a myriad of new and slower burning powders that are raising the efficiency levels of many of the old standby cartridges still popular today.

Your argument is one that is born of contempt for change and inflexibility of thinking. You are comparing apples to oranges in a futile attempt to justify your choice over that of someone else. While the whole time ignoring the fact that they are not trying to sell you oranges.

How do you like them apples...

 

[Republic of Alberta]

There has been one real advance lately that is the High Energy type factory loadings. As I understand it, they are offering more velocity at the same peak pressure, somehow able to draw out the peak pressure for a longer lenght of time giving more velocity. If the pressure curve was drawn on paper the area under the curve would be greater, but the peak remains the same.


Anyway, to me that is a real advance and is somthing new.


Red if it makes you feel better I actualy thought about getting a 270WSM but when I found out the rifle I wanted it in only comes in a long action I decided there was no point.

 

[Amphibious]

Your argument is one that is born of contempt for change and inflexibility of thinking.

this is becoming quite the broken record. all those that do not like short mags are suffering from some mental malady?

 

[BIGREDD]

There has been one real advance lately that is the High Energy type factory loadings. As I understand it, they are offering more velocity at the same peak pressure, somehow able to draw out the peak pressure for a longer lenght of time giving more velocity. If the pressure curve was drawn on paper the area under the curve would be greater, but the peak remains the same.


Anyway, to me that is a real advance and is somthing new.


Red if it makes you feel better I actualy thought about getting a 270WSM but when I found out the rifle I wanted it in only comes in a long action I decided there was no point.

I hear you and you are right about the velocity gains and this is due do the advent of the new powders they are using.... a spin off of the new R and D of the new cartridges I believe.
My point is that without the market for new firearms and cartridges the research just stops. If this means we have to listen to a bunch of advertising nonsense ... well so be it.
What long action short mag were you looking at and what was your reason for dismissing it as an option?

Originally Posted by BIGREDD
Your argument is one that is born of contempt for change and inflexibility of thinking.

this is becoming quite the broken record. all those that do not like short mags are suffering from some mental malady?

Only you would equate that statement with some kind of mental disorder. That statement is not intended as derogatory but simply means that I believe his opinion is inflexible and that he has a dislike for a certain cartridge.
Unlike you Phib, R of A is a good debater and he challenges other opinions with facts and humour and without denegrating his opponent. He makes good arguments and does it with style.
I may have to resort to a puking smilley face if I hope to win this one.

 

[Amphibious]

Only you would equate that statement with some kind of mental disorder. That statement is not intended as derogatory but simply means that I believe his opinion is inflexible and that he has a dislike for a certain cartridge.

malady
One entry found for malady.


Main Entry: mal·a·dy
Pronunciation: 'ma-l&-dE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -dies
Etymology: Middle English maladie, from Anglo-French, from malade sick, from Latin male habitus in bad condition
1 : a disease or disorder of the animal body
2 : an unwholesome or disordered condition

inflexable thinking would fall under that.


ah bighead, my internet time would be so boring without you.

 

[geologist]

How do the short magnums feed and extract compared to the "old" magnums?

 

[BIGREDD]

They feed as well as any other cartridge contiguration from what I have experienced. I have a single stack WSM Tikka that is very slick and a double stack WSSM Browning that works just fine too. They are chambering WSM's in Benelli and Browning Semi's that also work with no problems.

 

[BIGREDD]

Quote:
malady
One entry found for malady.


Main Entry: mal·a·dy
Pronunciation: 'ma-l&-dE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -dies
Etymology: Middle English maladie, from Anglo-French, from malade sick, from Latin male habitus in bad condition
1 : a disease or disorder of the animal body
2 : an unwholesome or disordered condition



inflexable thinking would fall under that.


ah bighead, my internet time would be so boring without you.

Well Phibulous... your definition of your own words is interesting but completely unrelated to my statement.
I think our relationship is reaching new levels...
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