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I have a WW GREENER 10ga SXS damacus barrels, 1875 to 1884, hammerless and I am looking for a ball park price of what it is worth. Any info on this gun would be appreciated.
WW GREENER 10ga SXS
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There were many diff. grades of Greener 10 Gauges, the "Farkiller" was most common in 10 gauge, and they can bring $4500 if in good shape, Royal grade was their highest but it is unclear whether it was avail. in 10gauge. Similar to alot of other good British guns, you can deduct up to 40%, and some would argue more, for the Damascus Barrels, which strangely enough at the time, cost more than fluid steel bl.....You will have to determine where it fits in as far as condition goes as the price above is for excellent cond.
As someone who has owned 9 or 10 greeners, I would suggest that the price of a 10 guage damascus gun is probably a good sight less than Ben suggested. Condition meaning both mechanical integrity and metal finish and degree of bore pitting can make a tremendous difference in price. If the gun is truly in near new condition, your best bet might be Holt's auction but I would speculate that most of the guns that I have seen would be more in the 400 -600 range. Also it is my impression that the far killer is a type of boring rather than an actual model. The model of pre 1900 Greeners, particularly hammer guns I find very difficult to decide on. The model of hammerless ones is at least based on the type of mechanism of which there are several. You can find them described in The Greener Story by Graham Greener. The models seem to be described on the basis of both mechanism and cost (ie quality of wood and degree of engraving)
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cheers mooncoon
Ben I suspect you are a "seller" of such guns far more than you are a buyer.
$4,500 for a 10 gauge (or 12 or 16 for that matter) in Canada is wishful thinking.
I have a high quality, high condition Wesley Richards Damascus 10 gauge that I would be very surprised to get that kind of money for here.
In the last year or so I have bought and sold at least 1/2 dozen W.W. Greener SXS 12 gauges, and I spend a lot of time shopping & researching vintage SXS's available in Canada. I have neither paid nor received more than 1/2 of what you are suggesting, and I don't play with trash.
For every W.W.Greener I see in Canada that is worth over $1,000, I see at least 20 that I wouldn't give $100 for.
William, my answer to you is this; your gun is probably worth at least $400 and almost definitely less than $4,500.
Photographs are an absolute necessity to even begin such a discussion. The original quality of the individual piece combined with the current condition is the ONLY considerations of its value.
$4,500 for a 10 gauge (or 12 or 16 for that matter) in Canada is wishful thinking.
I have a high quality, high condition Wesley Richards Damascus 10 gauge that I would be very surprised to get that kind of money for here.
In the last year or so I have bought and sold at least 1/2 dozen W.W. Greener SXS 12 gauges, and I spend a lot of time shopping & researching vintage SXS's available in Canada. I have neither paid nor received more than 1/2 of what you are suggesting, and I don't play with trash.
For every W.W.Greener I see in Canada that is worth over $1,000, I see at least 20 that I wouldn't give $100 for.
William, my answer to you is this; your gun is probably worth at least $400 and almost definitely less than $4,500.
Photographs are an absolute necessity to even begin such a discussion. The original quality of the individual piece combined with the current condition is the ONLY considerations of its value.
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Thank you for all the information you all have provided to me. It was a great help.
Thanks William
Thanks William
That looks to be an FH10 which is the lowest grade gun made with no engraving. Grades range from FH10 to FH70 with the highest catalog grade being Empire. With the crack in the stock head and the absence of any blueing or case colours you have about a $200 shotgun. That crack in the stock kills any value because to restock a side safety Greener is a nightmare as the inletting and fitting required to make the safety operate correctly is very difficult.
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while I would agree with the price estimate, I also think that the Empire model gun was introduced as an economy gun around the first world war. If you remove the forend, Greener's Anson and Deeley models had prominent cocking levers that protruded into the forend while he had another slightly later model called the Fascile Princeps (easily the best) in which the cocking mechanism was inside the water table. I am going to have to get my Greener Story book back to refresh my foggy memory. The empire gun that I used to own had the model E10 on the tang of the trigger guard as I recall and the 10 referred both to the price and the level of engraving (none for a 10) The cheapest Greener before 1900 was the Dominion model although I don't know if it was made in a hammerless version.
The problem with Greener models is that I have seen very different models with the same name; for example two very different models labelled the Trap Gun, both with hammers, Dominion guns labelled as that as well as The Forester. Even Greener's early catelogue seemed to label them on the basis of price as in 10 shilling gun or 25 shilling gun.
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The problem with Greener models is that I have seen very different models with the same name; for example two very different models labelled the Trap Gun, both with hammers, Dominion guns labelled as that as well as The Forester. Even Greener's early catelogue seemed to label them on the basis of price as in 10 shilling gun or 25 shilling gun.
cheers mooncoon
You folks didn't read my post, that's common, the figure given is for a Hammerless, fluid steel Greener 10 ga. in Excellent condition! Guns in fair or good cond. are typically 50% of that figure, subtract another 50% because of damascus barrels and you have a fairly accurate figure, again depending on condition. The know-it-alls sure are getting restless!!
Hello Ben,
I guess I'm one of the "know-it-alls" (first time I've been called that)
I for one did read your post, and obviously I thought you were seriously misleading the gentleman asking the question.
When a question is asked about a Chevy Chevette, it's not at all helpfull to tell a story about a Chevy Corvette.
My sincere intent was to assist the individual looking for assistance.
I'm sorry you didn't approve of my providing the gentleman with a straight, relevant answer.
Mark
I guess I'm one of the "know-it-alls" (first time I've been called that)
I for one did read your post, and obviously I thought you were seriously misleading the gentleman asking the question.
When a question is asked about a Chevy Chevette, it's not at all helpfull to tell a story about a Chevy Corvette.
My sincere intent was to assist the individual looking for assistance.
I'm sorry you didn't approve of my providing the gentleman with a straight, relevant answer.
Mark
So based on the pictures what do you think this gun is worth?
mooncoon
The gun pictured I believe is a Facile Princepts action and the grades I was quoting are specific to that action as they changed model names or grades with the action type. Dominion, forester and the empire are built on the A&D actions. The empire grade was an FH70 and the Crown was the FH55 in the information I have. But when I did a search I also found a base gun labeled as an Empire but it was not built on a FP action. By the 20's the price to grade ratio seemed to be in pounds rather than shillings but I understood it was the way you explained it.
Ben
If I ever decide to sell my 10ga F35 I will be sure to bring it to your store since it is steel barrelled and about 95% cond I guess it should be worth at least $4k. I'll be sure to ask for you too.
AH but what the hell do I know I'm just a know-it-all.
P.S. How many Greener guns do you own by the way?
The gun pictured I believe is a Facile Princepts action and the grades I was quoting are specific to that action as they changed model names or grades with the action type. Dominion, forester and the empire are built on the A&D actions. The empire grade was an FH70 and the Crown was the FH55 in the information I have. But when I did a search I also found a base gun labeled as an Empire but it was not built on a FP action. By the 20's the price to grade ratio seemed to be in pounds rather than shillings but I understood it was the way you explained it.
Ben
If I ever decide to sell my 10ga F35 I will be sure to bring it to your store since it is steel barrelled and about 95% cond I guess it should be worth at least $4k. I'll be sure to ask for you too.
AH but what the hell do I know I'm just a know-it-all.
P.S. How many Greener guns do you own by the way?
there was an article on Empire model guns in the Double Gun Journal several years ago. They were economy guns and definitely not Fascile Princeps guns. They are listed in the Greener Story but as mentioned earlier, I lent my copy to a friend and have not had time to recapture it so far. I have had 3 FPs and currrently have a A&D in 20 guage with lots of engraving as well as a Dominion and a basic treble wedge fast hammer gun.
Like you, I also read Ben's posting and felt he was quoting for a much more modern gun. Even $1000 for a damascus hammerless 10g with no finish seems pretty rich in this area. I personally think that a 10 g is worth a bit less than a 12 because they are a bit more limited in their use and more awkward to get shells for. By the same token, a 20 guage is worth more simply because they are relatively rare.
cheers mooncoon
Like you, I also read Ben's posting and felt he was quoting for a much more modern gun. Even $1000 for a damascus hammerless 10g with no finish seems pretty rich in this area. I personally think that a 10 g is worth a bit less than a 12 because they are a bit more limited in their use and more awkward to get shells for. By the same token, a 20 guage is worth more simply because they are relatively rare.
cheers mooncoon
You have it right as the gauge decreases the price increases. I have some photo's of a FP action that is labeled as an Empire grade and is extensively engraved I just cannot put my hands on them right now but when I find them I will post them.
Regards.
Regards.
Ben
I believe I can read english well enough to recognize the pot calling the kettle black on the "know-it-all" statement. I also have no need to fashion a sales add as I am a buyer not a seller.
You obviously did not read english well enough to answer my question.
By the way for someone with such a strong grasp of the english language that was a rather feeble insult. It was however a very efficient way of turning a legitmate thead into complete garbage.
Thanks for your contribution
I believe I can read english well enough to recognize the pot calling the kettle black on the "know-it-all" statement. I also have no need to fashion a sales add as I am a buyer not a seller.
You obviously did not read english well enough to answer my question.
By the way for someone with such a strong grasp of the english language that was a rather feeble insult. It was however a very efficient way of turning a legitmate thead into complete garbage.
Thanks for your contribution
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