X95 and 5/20 PMag issues

[Jagerx9]

Just wanted to give people a heads up. If, after watching Runkle scare you into tossing your LAR15 or crossmags, you are looking at 5/20 M3 pmags, these things do not want to seat in an x95 when full to 5 rounds. You will need to hold the bolt open to chamber that first round. No issues on 4 rounds.

I am 0 for 6 on pmags with the x95. Just a PSA.

 

[shuraparabellum]

Rivet placement is incorrect, nothing to do with the mag ( my thought )

 

[CyprusTM]

All pmags i have work great in my x95. Like stated above it must be a incorrect rivet

 

[onetwentyish]

Rivet placement is incorrect, nothing to do with the mag ( my thought )

This.

 

[Jagerx9]

Oh I do assume it is an incorrect rivet. But given all 6 of my pmags have this same problem, I figure they are riveting these things at exactly 5rd instead of somewhere around 5.5. My understanding is they enter Canada like this but maybe not. I wondered if this was unique to the "20" rd mags.

 

[onetwentyish]

Oh I do assume it is an incorrect rivet. But given all 6 of my pmags have this same problem, I figure they are riveting these things at exactly 5rd instead of somewhere around 5.5. My understanding is they enter Canada like this but maybe not.

They are probably riveted around 5.5, but many non-AR platforms need a little more room than that to be loaded on a closed bolt. 5.9 is ideal.

 

[Jagerx9]

Well that explains it. Just kind of a shame as there is nothing I can do about these.

 

[new210/22]

Well that explains it. Just kind of a shame as there is nothing I can do about these.

You could repin the mag.

 

[Jagerx9]

You could repin the mag.

Thought about it. But being a polymer and being that we would be talking about spacing the rivet like 3mm down, isn't there a reasonable chance the plastic will just detonate? Have you attempted this?

 

[onetwentyish]

Pin in a different location. If current one is on the rear, pin on the side like IRG does or vice-versa

 

[Jagerx9]

Pin in a different location. If current one is on the rear, pin on the side like IRG does or vice-versa

Wow. I cannot believe I didn't think of this. Thanks.

 

[thegazelle]

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[Armedsask]

Thought about it. But being a polymer and being that we would be talking about spacing the rivet like 3mm down, isn't there a reasonable chance the plastic will just detonate? Have you attempted this?

If pinned on the spine, pull the follower and sand a bit off where it contacts the rivet. Repin in the same hole. The anti-tilt followers have lots of material to play with. You can even test fit before pinching the rivet, just remember that the rivet will expand.

I've done this dozens of times on tight Pmags.

 

[thump_rrr]

Thought about it. But being a polymer and being that we would be talking about spacing the rivet like 3mm down, isn't there a reasonable chance the plastic will just detonate? Have you attempted this?

Do not relocate the rivet.
Remove the rivet and file the bottom of the follower where the rivet makes contact a little at a time till it functions then pin the mag again.

 

[thegazelle]

So the problem is the follower is hitting the rivet sooner than it should or at the wrong angle?

 

[Runningfool]

So the problem is the follower is hitting the rivet sooner than it should or at the wrong angle?

Not really. The problem is that the rivet is located a little higher than ideal, making it harder to get a full magazine to seat. Instead of moving the rivet down, the easier thing to do is to remove a bit of material from the legs of the follower, provided the mag is pinned on the spine as armedsask mentions.

 

[Armedsask]

So the problem is the follower is hitting the rivet sooner than it should or at the wrong angle?

This might not be a task you should tackle.