XCR Accuracy

Latman

Latman

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I got back from the range yesterday and was very impressed with the results of my little black rifle.

Equipment as follows:Leupold Model 57170 VX III 4.5-14X50mm LR (varmint reticle), tps xtra high 30mm rings, T-pod foregrip.

As per the reticle on the scope my intention was to zero at 200yds and let the lines in the scope do the rest of the work. Since my range's limit is 200yds. I'll be left wondering what the setup will do at any further distance.

Everything in this gun, concerning accuracy, I have found, boils down to the 2 stage trigger. Measured with an RCBS gauge, 1st stage breaks at a hair over 7lbs with the second stage breaking at 6lbs (Rob arms please help). Learning "the break" is quite the pain. Once you do, that seems to be where the accuracy lies. I fired off about 120 rds just nearing my break-in for the gun, of 300rds. The weight of the trigger really frustrates you in holding everything steady not to mention the fact the dent it puts in your TF while holding, to gain the perfect sight picture.

Even with the heavy, heavy trigger:mad:, I was still able to get consistent 1" groups at 200yds with my setup. It's just getting to know that evil trigger. It's also the second gun that I've owned with a 2 stage. Tricky, tricky. Odd shot goes 4-6" off when I flinch too much. At 100yds I'm down to 3/4"-1" groups also. When I had the gun zeroed at 100yds my grouping was about 1/2". Shooting back from 200-100yds my grouping is more spaced. I take that to be more trajectory than anything else(blame the trigger).

The XCR has only 1 big allen screw holding the barrel in while the scar has 6, 3 on each side. Lacking that the barrel is an integral part of the receiver, like in an AR, one would think that a manufacturer would not be able to reach tight enough tolerances of where of the union area is, to create a gun with any real accuracy. I'm wrong.

Good job Rob Arms. :)
 
Latman said:
Even with the heavy, heavy trigger:mad:, I was still able to get consistent 1" groups at 200yds with my setup.
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.48moa - That's pretty phenomenal accuracy.
May I ask what your setup was like? (benched, bagged, etc.) How about the ammo used? How many rounds formed your group?
 
American Eagle ammo from Wolverine, .55g, on a left handed wooden bench. No bags. Range pretty deserted because of the rain. I always find that I tend to tense up with more shooters. Three shot groups initially. 4-10 shot groups with the LAR pistol mag.

Follow through on the second stage, an absolute must and watch the breathing.

That scope is also awesome btw. Can't wait to try something further.

I'm ex US Army 11B. I always scored expert with the A2 during qualification:sniper:.
 
Hold on guy's I just started this here post to determine if the XCR is worth considering as in terms of accuracy.

Basic elements to all good shooting:

Good sight picture. The target is clearly defined and your not shifting your position around. Your holding true.

Controlled breathing. You don't shoot while you are breathing. Shoot inbetween breath's.

Follow through on the trigger. You don't just press it. In one smooth motion you take it past the "break" and follow it through to where it stops. You press the break and get to know that breaking point. In any gun.

Do all of the above in unison.
 
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Latman said:
American Eagle ammo from Wolverine, .55g, on a left handed wooden bench. No bags. Range pretty deserted because of the rain. I always find that I tend to tense up with more shooters. Three shot groups initially. 4-10 shot groups with the LAR pistol mag.

Follow through on the second stage, an absolute must and watch the breathing.

That scope is also awesome btw. Can't wait to try something further.

I'm ex US Army 11B. I always scored expert with the A2 during qualification:sniper:.
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So you are getting consistant .48 moa @200 yard groups with American Eagle 55 grain fmj ammo, and you are shooting anywere from 4 to 10 rounds to form these groups?

Sorry, but regardless of rifle and your shooting position, I call a big bag of BULLSH!T.

I don't think the ammo is up to that task, let lone the rifle.
Welcome to the CGN:wave:
 
beltfed said:
So you are getting consistant .48 moa @200 yard groups with American Eagle 55 grain fmj ammo, and you are shooting anywere from 4 to 10 rounds to form these groups?

Sorry, but regardless of rifle and your shooting position, I call a big bag of BULLSH!T.

I don't think the ammo is up to that task, let lone the rifle.
Welcome to the CGN:wave:
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There are about 150 rifles up here from what I can understand. If you call me a liar. I am more than willing to take you out to my range to prove it. You supply the ammo of course.:)

There is no need for that kind of response. They are experimental rifles. I got got good rings and good optics.

I'm not bassing any AR fans out there. But gee, why did the drill seargents have me lube my bolt on my A2 at sand hill in benning all the time during practrice?

Mr. Smitty have read your comments on XCR forum and here and they are excellent. Thanks.


I had a good day at the range yesterday, didn't think I'd get backlashed here.

I'm not used to this chit-chat, just gave my opion. Sorry and I don't LIE.

I still think the gun is awesome.
 
Relax, I'm not calling you a liar....I just think you are embelishing a bit (o.k., alot) on your group size, and the consistancy of your ammo.
Regardless of what I think of the XCR, I'm almost 100% positive 'dirty bird' is not up to the task of shooting moa consistantly never mind sub moa, especailly past 100m -even in a built-up precision bolt gun.....but who knows, maybe you have some mislabeled Gold Medal Match....

If you are in the Calgary area, I'd be happy to spend an afternoon shooting. ;)
 
Wow, alot of gulable people here. This thread is worthless without pics. An no, fliers DO COUNT.

"hey look, I fired 10 shots and 5 are 1/2 MOA"

If you want to back up your claims, shoot several 5 shots groups (preferaby on the same page) and take a pic.
 
sounds like a a picture of a target will be posted, although to get that group without aid of some sort of support, im sure a number two pencil will be involved
 
Forget the "pay for my ammo to do it" proof.

If you can really shoot anywhere in that neighborhood using that gun and that ammunition reliably, I'll do us both a square and obtaining solid corporate funding for your bid for world class shooting; that way we can both get famous.

I'm betting the money is better spent on lottery tickets though..:rolleyes:

http://www.tonyrogers.com/humor/dennis_demille.htm

Dennis DeMille - 2003 Service Rifle Champion
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Dennis also holds the current National 200-yard rapid fire world record, made in 2002. The winning target (below, signed by his military and High Power friends) is just astounding, and is a testament to his hard work and incredible skill. The score was a 200-20x and a 100-8x, for a perfect 300-28x!!!
Every shot hit the 10-ring, and he got 20+8 X-ring hits. The X-Ring on the target is only 3" in diameter, and the 10-Ring is 7" in diameter. The X-Ring score means that he placed 28 shots inside of 1.5 minute-of-angle, with iron sights. DeMille is the new Creedmoor Sports General Manager, and this photo was featured on their new 2004 master catalog. I put this in my "Humor Pages" section because it is positively laughable that anyone will ever beat this score.
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So you mean to tell me that at 200m your rifle with your shooting skills using ammunition that most people describe as at best capable of delivering at least 1moa accuracy is as accurate as a Bolt action Target rifle .

The rifle in the picture is a bolt action Target rifle made by McMillan Brothers Model is a TUBB 2000 in 6mmXC
 
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Yup.

And my money would ride on him every day, all day, on his worst day, all year long, any time in the forthcoming decade.


The XCR rack grade rifle sub moa? Delusional.
 
I think the XCR is an accurate rilfle. But nothing is that accurate. I too call Bull####.

With no bags, just a bench and 55 fmj ammo at 50 yards I get 2.5" and 100 yrd 5.5" 10 shot groups. I know most of this is me and some is the trigger. I'm sure the gun is way better than this and I will prove it soon enough, when I get bags, but the trigger makes sub MOA impossible. If you can get MOA out of the factory trigger, than you are either an olympic class shooter or bull####ter. I wonder which is true.

My best guess is that my XCR is probably good to 2 MOA with well matched factory ammo. If you can get a custom trigger improvement you may be able to do better, but I doubt it.
 
Nevermind the gun, I doubt AE 55gr would do even moa at 200m, and that's even if you had the gun in a vice.
 
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