XCR Accuracy


Lake City Ammo-Minnessota

Between the years of 94,95 and 96. I was in charge of my Battalion's ammunition, aquisition and requisiton requests up in Fort Wainwright, Alaska.
I was stationed with 4/9INF REG and then we switched over to 2/1 INF REG. In all those years, I was in charge of anything from AT-4's to Mortar Rounds.
My experience with LC .223 deals with the tonnes in terms of spent brass. If anyone should know how consistent LC rounds are, it should be me. Because I'm the one that had to deal with the spent casings after an entire infantry Battalion's live-fire. In turn-in all brass has to be sorted. We're looking for live rounds because what the Army does (up there) they sell the spent brass to a civilian contractor to be melted. They are not very happy when live rounds are included.

In the course of all those years, I'm guessing but I think it might be over a mil that I've had to deal with. How consistent is it? Judging by the number of duds per crate or the number of live rounds that I received back after a live-fire. I never counted it was just a job, but if my memory is at all any good, maybe around 5 per crate which, would put LC rounds at about close to 100%.

Maybe that is why they are in general use apart from the Army in civilian law enforcement sectors. Even up here in Canada. I was told also that they where toned down. In term's of strenght. They are not remington rounds by no means. But yeah, they are pretty reliable or I guess the Army would not use them.

In terms of accuracy? 38 out of 40 shots scores you expert on the pot-up target range in Benning. Pot-up targets range from 50-300M. I was able to consistenty hit that 300M target with iron sight's with an A2. I always missed on the 250M one. I could never learn the trajectory of the round for that shot with that rifle. In one infantry company comprised of roughly 30 persons, off the top of my head(memory bad) 8 of us got it.

For any of you civies reading this here. That is what the U.S. Army requires believe it or not. 300M with iron sight's. That is a long way out there.

The Mid-west Industries sights on the XCR suck. I do not think that I could hit a 300M pop-up with those sights. Can you make an accurate BIS that folds up as opposed to a fixed? Got me. From the latest at Brownells, let's see if someone has come up with something that works. Goood luck getting it up here of course.

And I still have not given any of you the answer as to why an ex GI is backing up the XCR platform so much for our Nation.

Got any ideas anyone? Read into this.
 
Pics of XCR accuracy

The day: -8 degrees and sunny at OSGC. A little windy with gusts up to 15kph, but usually calm.

My Setup: Robinson XCR with Leupold VX1 3-7X32 with Burris QD mounts and rings. Front and rear shooting bags filled w/ arborio rice. (delicious w/ muchrooms) :D The rifle is stock, but well worn in with about 1.5k rounds through it between its original owner and me. I'm still cranky about the trigger's first stage, but I will say the more and more I play with it, the more I find the second stage as acceptable, clean breaking. The first stage I still find too gritty and too heavy. These are mixed shots in terms of the barrel being hot or cold.

The Gun:

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The results

Win White Box 55 FMJ @ 50 yards
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Win White Box 55 FMJ @ 100 yards
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PMC k100 62 FMJBT @ 100 yards: Note the high one is when I accidentally blew past the second stage trigger by accident. My bad.
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PMC k100 62 FMJBT @ 100 yards
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Win White Box 55 FMJ @ 100 yards
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Win White Box 55 FMJ @ 100 yards
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Win White Box 55 FMJ @ 100 yards
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Win White Box 55 FMJ @ 100 yards
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PMC k100 62 FMJBT @ 100 yards
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PMC k100 62 FMJBT @ 100 yards
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Conclusion: I am no crack shot. :D The rifle liked the heavier 62gr PMC ammo more than the 55fmj, but not by much. Also, the rifle performed better on a very clean barrel as the first out the barrel after a cleaning was often a bullseye or close to it. This is certainly no bench rest shooter, but it was never meant to be. It was originally designed to ventilate those who needed it and it is certainly p to the task. I should also add that I was ringing the 10" 200 yard gong 100% of the time. Of course as I become more proficient with the gun and shooting in general, this will clean up a bit, and with handloads I'm sure it will clean up a lot.

.5moa with 55FMJ? Not bloody well likely. I call double BOULE-####!
 
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The day: -8 degrees and sunny at OSGC. A little windy with gusts up to 15kph, but usually calm.[,,,]
Here's another look at your targets. The number that we usually report for group size is the "max", which is the centre-to-centre of the farthest two shots, but the best number to determine the accuracy of a target is the "atc" - "Average to Centre".

Ten-shot groups are better for this, as mentioned in the link I referenced earlier.

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.5moa with 55FMJ? Not bloody well likely. I call double BOULE-s**t!

Not really BS... just a case of a newbie reporting things in the way he's seen them reported in some gun rags and internet forums. I think the arf.com fable is a good account of why we seen claims of 0.5 MOA from a stock semi and the like. It's common. Think of how often "my factory tactical boltgun once shot an 0.25 group" evolves into: "my factory tactical boltgun is a 0.25 MOA gun... if I do my part".
 
Update: I pulled the leupold scope off and went back to the MI BUIS and Aimpoint Comp M3. I much prefer the M3. Suprisingly, my groups didn't really change, only the precision.

I am able to ring the 10 " gong @ 200 yards all day even standing with the aimpoint, so it stays.

I will say that I would like to do something about the MI front sight. The blade is too thick at the front and it needs to taper to a finer point. Any suggestions?
 
1" groups @ 200 meters with 55gr American Eagle????
I've seen a few good shooters and rifles and this makes me wonder???
I didn't know that the XCR and American Eagle could take on the bench rest crowd?

Latman, I don't want to call you a liar but this performance is hard to believe.
I'd love to meet you in Calgary and see this first hand.

Rich
 
1" groups @ 200 meters with 55gr American Eagle????
I've seen a few good shooters and rifles and this makes me wonder???
I didn't know that the XCR and American Eagle could take on the bench rest crowd?

Latman, I don't want to call you a liar but this performance is hard to believe.
I'd love to meet you in Calgary and see this first hand.

Rich

I know is it not simply unbelievable
 
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