XCR-M accuracy issue

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I've been out with it twice. Fed it everything under the sun for weight and manufacturer. I can't get a group under 7 inches at 100. I've tried two optics, 4x and 10x. Same results. I'm going to try and find out if I can exchange it tomorrow from the Cabelas where I bought it a week ago. Otherwise I'll have to send it to Wolverine I'm sure. Anyone deal with this issue before? Any DIY ways to resolve? What have vendors/warranty done for those who've had these problems?

I understand these rifles aren't supposed to be MOA. But 7 inches is a pattern, not a group.

Also, I did check barrel nut and gas block torque. They're fine. I went as far as reinstalling the barrel this last range trip.
 
Wow! That is weird! I've shot mine with Canadian Forces surplus and AE ball ammo. Put 60rds thru it. Leupold VR Patrol scope used. Groups 2" with a flyer at 100m. Hits a gong at 200m 10/10. Can't even think what could be wrong after your self diagnosis and checklist. You sure it wasn't a Mosin you bought? Sorry, couldn't resist!
 
Mine was 3.5 MOA rifle with surplus, down to 2 -2.5 MOA with reloads ( this is the reason, i sold it ) but 7 MOA there could be something wrong with the one of these choice rifle/scope/shooter/ammo... JP.
 
JDForBrkFst said:
Haha, my mosin carbine shoots 2 inches at 100 with irons. With the Finnish accuracy mods and Russian SP ammo of course...
So the XCR is clearly shooter error.
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If you can bang 2" at 100 with a Mosin and irons, it ain't shooter error! Best advice before you bring the M back is to maybe have a buddy who you KNOW is a really good shot and have him/ her shoot it. If the results are the same, then there's something wrong with your rifle.
 
I ruled out scope by using two different ones. One that I fired consistent sub MOA groups a couple days before on my 700. Can't be ammo as I tried a ton of different brands/weights. Can't be shooter, I was a platoon DM on my second deployment. So it is the rifle. Hence my asking for help on that specific part in my first post and giving references to my trouble shooting possible other causes. I also got my brother who is a proficient shooter to shoot a couple groups with same results.
 
Ruled out shooting skills, ruled out ammo, ruled out optics. Only thing left is gun. Sorry man, you may have a lemon!
Return it with your targets for proof and maybe ones with your Rem700 to prove it ain't the Indian! Good luck!
Stores love to sell guns but usually hate taking them back!
 
Remove the barrel, clean the receiver and barrel extension then put it back together and torque the barrel bolt to the specified torque in the manual (I think it's 250 inch/pounds). Take it out and try again. If it's still shooting like crap contact Wolverine.

Good luck
 
The biggest problem with the XCR barrel retention method relating to accuracy, is that it relies a great deal on how tightly the barrel extension fits into the receiver before snugging up the retention screw. I have an upper receiver in the shop that I'm working with right now. The owner supplied 2 barrel assemblies with it. One barrel fits quite snug into the receiver with no noticeable side play. The other fits so loose it rocks back and forth quite noticeably. The problem is that no Gun Shop will let you remove the barrel screw and check for play between the barrel and receiver, so you pays your money and you takes your chances so to speak.
 
JDForBrkFst said:
Thanks Cr5, I tried that after the first range trip. I'm waiting back on the vendor, hopefully they will exchange.
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Does the barrel fit snugly into the receiver or is there some wiggle.
Most of the accuracy complaints seem to come from the -L rifles. My buddy has an -M and he can get 1.5 moa with his handloads and 2-3 moa with cheap stuff.
Pretty sure Cabella's is going to tell you to keep it since it's functioning fine but Wolverine might be a lot more help.
Last resort would be to bed the barrel to the receiver using something like marine-tex http://www.marinetex.com/marinetexepoxyputty.html
There is a smith in Edmonton that uses it and can get it. Barry J's marine can probably get it for you as well.
This would only help if the barrel is loose but maybe you have a damaged crown or something in the rifling.
Is the muzzle device pinned on that one? There was a guy on here a couple years ago with an -L that they pinned the muzzle device on but the pin actually broke through into the rifling. Very bad job during assembly that should have been caught in QC.
 
if its new and your not happy...

#1...check the barrel screw as already advised.....

#2...return the thing.....

once you start dickin with it you will screw the warranty....

Thats a lot of $ to spend and it will be made right either by the retailer, the importer, or the manufacturer....
 
cr5 said:
My buddy has an -M and he can get 1.5 moa with his handloads and 2-3 moa with cheap stuff.
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I know guys that claim that too. When I see their groups they are actually 5-6 moa.
When I point that out, they always claim the excuse of the day and say 'it'll do better than that'
 
beltfed said:
I know guys that claim that too. When I see their groups they are actually 5-6 moa.
When I point that out, they always claim the excuse of the day and say 'it'll do better than that'
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The -M's aren't usually as bad as the-L's for accuracy.
I've seen his rifle do it with his handloads, I've shot his rifle and it's definitely no DMR but it's better than any -L I've shot when feeding it his handloads. Accuracywise it's about the same as my RFB was, 1.5 moa at best with handloads and 2-3 moa with decent factory loads and up to 5 moa with some factory crap.
XCR's seem to have some consistency problems from one rifle to the next, some are just better than others which is why I don't own one. I'm not willing to risk $2500 and end up with one of the duds.
 
The barrel doesn't wiggle at all before tightening the barrel acrew. I checked the crown and it looks good. Waiting back for word from Wolverine now. Cabelas basically told me to find a dark corner and f*** myself. If all else fails I'll try the marine epoxy and see how that goes. Although with no play there already I have my doubts.
 
JDForBrkFst said:
The barrel doesn't wiggle at all before tightening the barrel acrew. I checked the crown and it looks good. Waiting back for word from Wolverine now. Cabelas basically told me to find a dark corner and f*** myself. If all else fails I'll try the marine epoxy and see how that goes. Although with no play there already I have my doubts.
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What about the muzzle device? Is it pinned? Did they F it up?
I'm sure Wolverine will help sort you out, they seem to be very good about making sure all XCR owners are happy with their purchase.
 
I found an accuracy increase after dressing the crown on my 6.8 barrel. I also get 1.5, well actually 1.47 out of my M, my L ranges around 1.25 with .223 handloads to around 2 with norc stuff, to just sub ( With the 6.8, for 3 rounds.) Beltfed, you need ot hang out with better shooters, maybe you'd improve.:d
 
beltfed said:
I know guys that claim that too. When I see their groups they are actually 5-6 moa.
When I point that out, they always claim the excuse of the day and say 'it'll do better than that'
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And then when someone gets amazing groups and invites you to the range to prove it is true you conveniently twist your ankle somehow rendering you unfit for a range trip :) honestly that gave me a laugh though.

Unless you are a pro, the rifle is most often far more accurate than the shooter.

OP it seems your rifle may be a lemon. Any rifling/barrel defects?
 
The bore looked great. Further to my last about Cabela's. I called their national line and spoke with Steve "the gun guy" as he's known. Great guy to speak with. He immediately rectified the situation and I went in and exchanged the rifle. Will let you all know how it goes with this one. I'm sitting down after as type this to give it a good pre range going over. Thanks for the help fellas.
 
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