XLR vs LSS for T3 Tactical ...

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I'm looking for a stock to put on my T3 Tactical make it a little more portable (I posted a "portable precision" thread a little while ago).

Anyone have any thoughts on the XLR vs the LSS? A folding stock is the most important item on the criteria list. Weight comes next. Cost is third.

XLR total weight is just under 4lbs

LSS weight is 1.6lbs but I'm not sure what the total weight would be with a grip, carbine tube, stock and grip

T3 Tactical stock I think is around 2lbs but don't quote me on this.

Anyone have a total cost for the LSS, carbine tube, stock and grip?
 
I have a LSS on the way for a Rem700, and am hoping to use it with an ACE folding stock set-up. Won't know much about it till it's in my hands, but I'll be following your progress on this thread.
 
LSS is about $ 400+, tube, grip and stock $ 200.00 to $ 350.00 + depending on which one you choose.

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Carbonfiber XLR with the Ultralight tactical stock and the new folder would be in the 3.5# range and give you the complete adjustability of the XLR design :D

The LSS only advertises the weight of one part so pick the extras with care! Stock as pictured above would be more
 
Here's what I've got correct me if I'm wrong:

XLR
4lbs (with rail and folder)
900$ before shipping and taxes (folder and mag)

LSS
3.5lbs (with PRS stock)
800$ before shipping and taxes (LSS, PRS, buffer tube, grip)
+200$ for a folding stock adaptor (Law Tactical found on Brownells) ... Are there any others out there?
Can you even use the folder with the PRS?

LSS
2.5lbs (with CTR)
600$ before shipping and taxes
+200$ for the folder problem?

Am I in the right ball park?
 
A little question about the LSS

I was looking at all the used parts for AR's in the EE. Can pretty much and pistol grip and adjustable stock work for a LSS chassis?
 
I bought the XLR evolution , about six months before MDT announced the LSS. The XLR is a good system , but you need to trim your rail , or at least I had to on my Tik Tac. Then I had to go with some extra high rings to mount my scope.
 
slowpoke55 said:
I bought the XLR evolution , about six months before MDT announced the LSS. The XLR is a good system , but you need to trim your rail , or at least I had to on my Tik Tac. Then I had to go with some extra high rings to mount my scope.
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I was wondering if that would be the case.

Two things about the LSS that I don't like;

1) very short hand guard beyond the action, which may make offhand shooting difficult
2) a folding device looks really out of place due to how the stock tapers down to the castle nut. Just an aesthetic thing.

Sorry MDT, but the XLR looks a little more badass, but heavier too.

Decisions decisions ...
 
I got the XLR Carbon for my 700 and love it. Adjustability is amazing and easy to work with. Very comfortable once setup and easy to shoot offhand. Mine weighs in at about 12 pounds with bipod, scope, and loaded 10 round mag (243). The folder locks up so well you dont notice it.

If you call Kyle at XLR there are a lot of things not on his site. He makes nice flush cup sling mounts for the foreend as well as a 20moa base designed to fit the chassis.

You wont be disappointed if you go with the xlr
 
I thought I would chime in on this as well, since I am always back and forth between getting a new stock/chassis or not for my rifle. A couple of things I would suggest:

Don't get the PRS, as far as I know, there is no adaptable folder for it.
There is the Magpul CTR 80$, plus you can get cheek spacers for it, and the Larue POD device for attaching a monopod if that is the way you want to go and it will accomodate any carbine folding stock adapter out there probably.
If short fore-end is an issue, I have to agree with this, I would totally like the fore-end to be longer; however I would suggest putting a full length rail on it and try an angled fore-grip or even a rail mounted hand stop.
Also From what I can tell for the LSS, MDT does currently have something on their website hinting that they are actually bringing out an NV mount for the LSS.

Just thought I would give my advice. Also, the LSS uses Accurate mags not AICS, though AICS should fit(the same mags as the savage model 10 FCP-SR and the Ruger gunsite scout) <- Why is that important? If I can find them in Canada Ruger has come out with polymer mags specifically for their Scout rifle, 5 rounders are like 30$ or something from Brownells. As I said though, first I need to find them in Canada, and right now my concern is my stock savage Accu-stock as I do not currently own an LSS. But if they all use the same mags I don't see why it shouldn't work.
 
I would be dropping a 20" Tikka T3 Tactical into the LSS. With the current stock (is really very good as far as I'm concerned but it would be nice to have a folder to make it easier to transport) the rifle already feels front end heavy. If I opt for the LSS I'm worried that it will feel like I have an anchor tied to the end of the barrel when shooting offhand due to support hand being forced to be so close to the mag well. As for adding a rail and an AFG or something similar, that is an interesting idea. I think the good fix for MDT would be to produce an aluminum tubular shroud that simply slides on overtop of the existing chassis to lengthen the fore-end. Even if it adds half a pound I would be sold.
 
Agreed, they could design something off of their night vision "hood" that comes out tomorrow and have an extended fore end for it. See also AWT and their rifle chassis, a little bit on the expensive side, and is pretty much the same idea, although they actually designed a fore-end extension... I hope that will be the next design on MDT's chopping block.
 
Personally, I don't get why guys want to take long barreled actions and put them into stocks that give them minimal benefit in reducing weight and length. $600 spent to lose a couple of inches in overall length is a poor return on investment. If your real goal is to make it look more "tacticool" or aesthetically pleasing then to each their own. Unless you're going to chop that 24"-26" barrel down to something in the 18"-20" range then you're not going to achieve much by purchasing a LSS.
 
2bad4u2 said:
Personally, I don't get why guys want to take long barreled actions and put them into stocks that give them minimal benefit in reducing weight and length. $600 spent to lose a couple of inches in overall length is a poor return on investment. If your real goal is to make it look more "tacticool" or aesthetically pleasing then to each their own. Unless you're going to chop that 24"-26" barrel down to something in the 18"-20" range then you're not going to achieve much by purchasing a LSS.
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Agreed, the LSS is nice but way to short. There are a couple of benefits to it though, for the most part all of the AR parts can be accessed for both grips and stocks as well as a the stock folders; and after those you get some weight savings... Oh and the added ability to use, 5 or 10 rounds DBM's. After that you're looking at something that personally I don't think is going to help all that much with barrel rigidity, as I have said before the only thing I would think looks good on this rifle would be one of those remingtons with the 16.5" barrel. I have a design in my head for something a little longer but I have serious reservations about posting it online as I would fear that someone may share that it's a decent design and steal it for there own. Maybe I will draw something up this weekend and post it on here anyways. Anyone know anybody with a milling machine and access to aluminimum?
 
The LSs is really only suited to proned out shooting due to the short forearm.
But on the other side of the coin, the xlr does add substantial weight to the t3 tac. As the folder doesn't lock, it doesn't help much for portability unless you're keeping the rifle bagged most of the time.
Pros to the xlr:
-forearm allows irregular shooting positions without barrel contact
-the butt stock is very adjustable, and very easy to get behind, makes a prs feel pretty low end.
-more sling options

Pros to the lss:
-adds a pistol grip ?

The t3 tac stock is lighter than an LSS with a prs, the tac stock has a cheek riser already, the tac stock has a longer forearm...
I see the lss as an upgrade from the regular t3 stock, but a downgrade compared to the t3 tac and varmint stocks.
If portability and weight are your main concerns, the tac stock is king.

I'm shooting from my belly most of the time, so an xlr serves me best.


 
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