Yet another 10/22 25rnd jamming problem.

[drvrage]

Ohhh mighty gun gods! Hear my prayers..... I humbly beseach thee to consult thy book of armaments and, in they holy wisdom repaireth my malfunctioning tool of thy divine power on earth. Thanks in advance for any answers I get. I looked at all previous posts but think this may be worth another thread.

In my k10/22 stainless with BOTH Hot lips 25rnd mag and Steel Lips 25 rnd mag I am getting horrible jams with:

Winchester Wildcat,
CCI stinger,
Federal 22 LR
Remmington target loads
I can't remember who but I think it was remmington subsonic loads.
Some of these were hollow point most were not.


In every case, as the action is cycled and a new round is chambered the soft lead bullet tip catches on circular tube part that protrudes from the chamber. (If you remove the mag, and lock the action in the open position and look through the ejection port you'll see a round cyclindrical protrusion that sticks out about 2 or 3 mm. around the chamber and into the magazine well.)

Because the lead tips of the 22 rnd are soft, it deforms where it catches, and won't load or chamber no matter what. The nose of te bullet is caught on this cylinder part and the ass end of the round is sticking way up in the air. (Head down, ass up reminds me of....well never mind) I have to manually cycle the action and lose a round or two or 5 trying to get the originaqlly caught round and any double feeds created when trying to eject and shake the procedding rounds out.

This happened with two hot lips mags and one brand new out of the package steel lips mag leading to a jam roughly every 10 rounds or so. I would shoot 5, chuck 3 jams shoot another 7-10, clear another one or two misfeeds then fire whatever is left. All three mags behave the same way.

Should I:

1. Just stick to the BX-10

2. Could I file off a little material on that cylindrical part of the firing chamber that protrudes into the magazine well where the bullet tips are catching? (I can see markings on it where the bullets are catching. Should be easy enough to file a little down.) Would this dammage the gun permanently, would it mess up the action on the stock BX mag?

3. Somehow adjust or modify my butler creek mags to remedy the problem. If so how?

4. Should I start looking for some kind of jacketed .22 lr round? Do they make them? Are they legal? Are they safe for plinking. (Ricochets???)

Thank oh lord of the gun for hearing my prayers and your divine help. Amen.

 

[tiriaq]

I have never seen a round cylindrical protrusion that sticks 2 or 3mm out from the chamber of a 10/22 barrel. All 10/22 barrels which I have seen are flat faced.
Do you have a broken off cartridge case stuck in the chamber and protruding from it? If necessary, remove the barrel from your rifle so you can inspect the barrel's breech very carefully.

 

[drvrage]

Maybe this will better explain.

ALso add to my previous post of possible solutions:


5. Buy the TI25 MACHINED ALUMINUM STEEL LIP MAGAZINE FOR RUGER 10/22 from tactical innovations because they have adjustable feed?

Does anyone know anyone in Canada that sells them? Preferably in the GTA???

 

[tiriaq]

Good photo. The projection is just the breech of the barrel. I thought something was projecting from the chamber. Do the aftermarket magazines fit well? Can you rock them foreward? They might be delivering the round a bit too low.
The lip of the chamber could also be polished a bit at 6 o'clock to ease entry of the nose of the round. A bit of polishing compound on a felt bob in a Dremel, or a bit of 600grit crocus wrapped around a slender dowel. Take the barrel off to do this, and don't overdo it. Just break the edge and polish.
Given that all your aftermarkets do the same thing, the polishing might be the best bet.
Hot Lips do wear, Steel Lips have a better reputation for longevity, factory magazines are usually most reliable.

 

[G37]

Interesting... I have a 10/22 with steel lip mags and when I chamber a round (very slowly - riding the bolt) the bullet goes straight into the chamber - It doesn't even touch the chamber edge.

I'd suggest a detail strip and thorough cleaning then try again.

My 10/22 is stock except for the Volq Extractor, Extended mag release, auto bolt release and bolt buffer from BCBoy.

Good luck

 

[drvrage]

Do the aftermarket magazines fit well? Can you rock them foreward? They might be delivering the round a bit too low.

The mags lock in solidly. I cannot rock them at all. All mags are new/almost new, with less than 500 rnds through each. I read the product info and FAQ at Tactical innovations and they suggest that production of the 10/22 is less than accurate wich is why some work great and some don't with 25 rnd. Inconsistent manufacturing tolerances on the gun may be it.

I can't find anyone in Canada that sells the adjustable aluminum mags. I think an adjustable mag might just do the trick. But how to buy???

Until then, I will try both the thorough strip and clean and the polish of the barell breech.


G37: When I cycled the mag manually and slowly mine never touched the breech either. Just when shooting normally. High or low velocity shots all do the same thing.

 

[10mark22]

chamber mods

I have had aftermarket barrels that were shaving bullets in that area. Buy a small conical shaped stone for a dremel and remove a very small amount of material from the area that is catching (do this by hand). Then polish it with a very fine sandpaper or polishing compound. Be careful not to damage the chamber. This creates a small chamfer allowing the bullet to enter the chamber unimpeded. Also, check to see if the mags are being rocked sideways by the stock. You may have to sand the inside of the stock to get it to fit. I have seen this as well, maybe the aftermarket mag is a shade larger than the bx-1. If it functions fine with the original mag, it may be one of those guns that can only use the original, in that case, sorry man. BTW, I would check it to see if it has an abnormal amount of barrel droop. If the barrel is looser than normal in the receiver, it tips forward and the angle that shells go into the chamber is off slightly. A shim made out of a piece of pop can can be inserted between the barrel shank and the receiver to lift the barrel slightly. I had to make this shim for one of my 10/22's and it cured some feeding issues. Also, do not overtighten the bolts that hold the barrel to the receiver, 20 inch pounds is enough.. Just my 02. Good Luck.

 

[drvrage]

SO is the general consensus that if I don't touch the edge of the chamber, but rub a little of the material off with a dremmel that I run very little risk of killing my gun?

 

[tiriaq]

Well, its the very edge of the chamber that you are rounding over. Just break the edge, and polish it. Don't cut a trough into the chamber.

 

[bill c68]

I have heard many issues with feeding the 10/22's I have NEVER had an issue, I have 5 or 6 hot lips mags and have used variuos types of ammo, never an issue except subsonices and CB longs.

 

[G37]

Almost forgot... is the factory magazine running perfectly? No jams?? (If I understand your post you bought 3 new mags and all three are giving you problems.)

I bought 4 Butler Creek Steel lips and 2 were giving me similar problems... the top potion of the mag was too tight and would not reliably feed if I had more than 5 rounds inserted.

Just a thought.

Insert 10 rounds into each mag and manually (with your fingers - not in the rifle) strip a round off at a time and notice the bullet position afterwards; is it still high up or does it appear to be lower than it should in the magazine?

Based on past experience there is nothing worse than permanently modifying something and then realizing it doesn't fix the problem (or the original problem was a much simpler solution).

 

[drvrage]

Thanks but yes the Bx-1 works without jams. The three othe rmags are problematic. I'm thinking of trying thos eadjustable aluminum mags for the 10/22.

 

[jessedm]

me too!!

ia have the same trouble with any amo any clip i use including stock 10 rnd clip, and the steel hotlips and i stripped the gun all the way down and cleaned it like it was brand new and the same thing happens. ?????

 

[JohnC]

i've found hollow points to be problematic with the butler creeks. never had an issue with solids.

 

[BabySeal]

I dont understand yet how the rounds are getting jammed in there with the nose down and the rim up. When I have the problem, its usually nose up The BC mags have a break in period. Until that time they dont push the next round up positively enough and the round ends up getting stripped from the mag while it is still too low. The plastic follower rubs along the sides of the mag. Worst part is that the mags are not meant to be dissassembled. There was a post before about cleaning out the inside of the mag near the feed lips with a small file. Not sure where it went. You have to be careful not to hit the feed lips tho. They are molded to the correct dimensions. Just try making a clear path for ammo up to the lips.

I also cheat when I get new mags.

I use a long shanked flat tip screw driver and I run the follower up and down in the mag a bunch of times while I am watching TV. THis helps break them in and clean up and little bits of crap left on the pieces when they popped them out of their molds.

Of course, I could also tell you that I have four 30 rd eagle mags that almost never jam on me. They have a stronger spring, a door on the bottom so you can clean the mag, and they are about $20 each from rimfiresports.com. Free shipping, and I think the customs on my 4 mags was about $10.

I have steel lips mags that work EXCELENT too, but they cost twice what an eagle mag does, and the eagle mags hold 5 more rounds.

So, all that said, please post back here if you try breaking the edge at the bottom of your chamber. I would like to see your handiwork, and hear about the results.

Thanks

Andy



PS. I hate the hot lips mags for this reason. Too much plastic in there, by the time the damn thing gets broken in, its almost worn out! I have had a few, and only one or two of them worked well enough for me. Eagle mags are all plastic too, but they are a harder, less pourous plastic and they dont seem to need much tlc at all.