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Somehow a couple of Enfields seem to have followed me home from the gun show. So far they are playing nice with the couple that I already had.

The pick :D of today's litter is an ex-Savage No. 4 that has a nice "F.R 1963 R.F.I." stamp on the wrist. When they did that, pretty much all of the markings went away. It's marked No.4 Mk. 1* and the trigger is attached to the trigger guard. The only way to tell quickly that it was a Savage is the remains of the flaming bomb US Ordinance stamp on it.

So here's one of the minor mysteries. The furniture on the rifle is "interesting" . The butt stock and forestock are both beech. The rear hand guard is walnut and the front hand guard appears to be walnut died beech. As the rifle came to me the whole rifle was mostly coated with a medium walnut tinted coat of shellac. In various places here and there the shellac had done what it often does and headed for parts unknown.

The wood under the butt plate is virgin beech. This rifle never met a mud puddle ever. I doubt it ever saw a rainstorm. Does it not ever rain in India, or do they simply not have any mud? :D :D

My basic question here is how all this came to pass. The importer *could* have put all new furniture on the rifle, but at the price I doubt it. Somebody "over there" could have done the same thing last month. Is there any chance that this rifle has been sitting with clean raw wood since 1963? Is shellac a standard finish on a No. 4?

I accidentally spilled a gallon of denatured alcohol on the stock parts and the shellac is history. I *hate* shellac. So I now have "two tone" furniture set for the rifle. I can either bleach the hand guards or use wood dye on the butt stock and forestock. Putting all new wood on a scrubbed rifle that cost $180 is *not* an option. Any other options I'm missing?

I'm still looking for interesting markings. I have not found much on this rifle. The wood is essentially 100% clean. The metal was scrubbed well enough that what's left is going to take some looking.

Bob
 
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So it prob' sat in some Government controlled warehouse for decades. :)

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So they do have mud and rain in India :D :D :D

How did they get onto the shellac thing? I realize they produce it over there, but *why*??? The stuff is awful ....

The sitting in a warehouse theory is reasonable. It's got a two grove barrel that looks brand new. The serial number is on the receiver up by the barrel, rather than down on the wrist. They may have slapped the barrel, wood, and number on it and into storage it went ....

I do find it a bit odd that there is no finish under the butt plate at all. I would think they would be in big trouble the first time they took it out for a stroll .

Bob
 
Apparently, you guys aren't into Russian Mosin-Nagants. The standard finish is shellac, and it kind of grows on you.

As for the mostly beech furniture on your SMLE, why not just offer to swap the rear hand guard? It's possible someone is out there wanting to lay hands on a walnut rhg and has a beech one standing by. ?? Worth a shot, eh?
 
Apparently, you guys aren't into Russian Mosin-Nagants. The standard finish is shellac, and it kind of grows on you.

As for the mostly beech furniture on your SMLE, why not just offer to swap the rear hand guard? It's possible someone is out there wanting to lay hands on a walnut rhg and has a beech one standing by. ?? Worth a shot, eh?

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The swap idea does have it's merits. The chunk of walnut is essentially un-issued. I probably should check the two walnut stocked rifles in the basement :). It would be a bit out of place on the '54 beech ...

I do indeed have a couple of Mosin's. The "lovely" Ukrainian re-arsenal shellac job on them has yet to endear it's self to me. :runaway: :runaway: The Swiss also used something similar on post WWII beech stocked K31's. The Swiss at least did a reasonable job of it.

I still find it a bit hard to believe that anybody sent their troops into battle with shiny shellac finish on the rifles.

Bob
 
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Does it have the dreaded "Ishy screw" through the forearm ahead of the receiver? Most anything that India touched got it. If so, could be original Savage wood that was used (any S marks anywhere?) Or possibly Pakistan replacement wood. I'd use fine steel wool and stripper to remove finish and restain walnut and oil finish. Quick way is with Outers or Birchwood Casey stock finsh kits. Not going to hurt any collector value, so might as well make it look pretty.

Geoff
 
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I agree that you would have a hard time calling this a collector item ....

It does not have an Ishy screw. It *definitely* is not Savage wood. The total lack of finish under the butt plate rules out Savage or Longbranch. I have never seen a military stock with a completely unsealed butt on the stock before.

The finish that was on it came completely clean with denatured alcohol and a rag. The only thing that is left on the beech is a very light brown stain. The color pretty much matches my '54 No. 4 Mk. 2 from Fazakerley. My guess is that it started life as a replacement stock.

Right now my plan is to use wood dye on the stock to get it all to the same color. I like dye a lot more than stain. It's a lot more durable. After the dye job it's going to be BLO as the finish.

There are no marks that I can see on any of the wood. Other than a couple of gouges and a crack, it all looks brand new. There are almost no marks on the metal parts. It may take some magic to find anything ...

Bob
 
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