yildiz shotguns

They hold up just fine. Aluminum dissipates heat much quicker than steel. Look at your AR receivers they are machined aluminum. Yildiz is one of the factories in Turkey that manufacture Browning and Winchester firearms.
 
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They hold up just fine. Aluminum dissipates heat much quicker than steel. Look at your AR receivers they are machined aluminum. Yildiz is one of the factories in Turkey that manufacture Browning and Winchester firearms.
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Aluminum receivers are fine for a hunting gun. But if you decide you might want to shoot Clays with it they don't hold up. As far as comparing them to an AR in 223, which has more recoil a 223 or a 12ga?

When did Browning and Winchester start making guns in Turkey?
 
twistedbrilliance said:
They hold up just fine. Aluminum dissipates heat much quicker than steel. Look at your AR receivers they are machined aluminum. Yildiz is one of the factories in Turkey that manufacture Browning and Winchester firearms.
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Ain't no, I repeat no ! Browning firearms made in Turkey. Nor do I believe any Winchester products, you'll have to provide documentation to convince me otherwise.
As far as Yildiz goes, I have no personal experience with them but over the last few years most all I have read has been favorable. Not so with most other Turkish manufacturers.
An alloy receiver in the case of an O/U like Browning produces, has a steel insert in the breechface to take the pounding that just an alloy would get peened out of spec after fewer rounds thu it than one may expect. An O/U built this way is also not designed to be shot at target gun volumes, I remember Browning had some instances of the steel inserts coming loose.
The above is meant as a lightweight field gun, push it and shoot a few rounds of skeet in a row and you will be sore!!!!!

Tim
 
I bought a Yildiz O/U spz-m 12 ga early in the fall .it was a very nice light gun with nice wood .with good fit and finish on the wood.and the action was very tight.I put some where around 400 shells through it with out any problems .I sold it for near what I paid for a down payment on a browning.as win/64 said if its to be a gun you are going to use alot for clay targets the aluminium receiver probly will not take the pounding.there a gun thats ment to be carried lots and shot a little.Yildiz does make a clays gun which has a steel reciever but are a fair bit more expensive.
 
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Winchester, Browning and Beretta all owned by the same company. A couple of hundred other firearm and ammo brand names that would surprise you too, all owned by Cerubus. If that name rings a bell, try Daimler/Chrysler too. Dan Quayle and several other Bush family buddies run it. Scary ain't it?:eek:
Citori and the 101 are both made by Miroku, so are the later O/U's by Charles Daly.
The new Smith & Wessons are made in Turkey to S&W specs, with a S&W supervisor.
 
When did the 101 production move out of Belgium ?

So far I'm feeling worse and may spew, lean back from the screen guys !

I do know Cerubus has been killing Remington but sure thought the Herstal Group had control of Browning / Winchester ???
 
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Winchester, Browning and Beretta all owned by the same company. A couple of hundred other firearm and ammo brand names that would surprise you too, all owned by Cerubus. If that name rings a bell, try Daimler/Chrysler too. Dan Quayle and several other Bush family buddies run it. Scary ain't it?:eek:
Citori and the 101 are both made by Miroku, so are the later O/U's by Charles Daly.
The new Smith & Wessons are made in Turkey to S&W specs, with a S&W supervisor.
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I thought the 101 was made by Nikko and then by F/N.
 
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Winchester, Browning and Beretta all owned by the same company. A couple of hundred other firearm and ammo brand names that would surprise you too, all owned by Cerubus. If that name rings a bell, try Daimler/Chrysler too. Dan Quayle and several other Bush family buddies run it. Scary ain't it?:eek:
Citori and the 101 are both made by Miroku, so are the later O/U's by Charles Daly.
The new Smith & Wessons are made in Turkey to S&W specs, with a S&W supervisor.
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Beretta does not own Winchester, Browning. They have a 20% share.
 
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Not sure if this will be any help, as all information I have is sketchy, if not contradictory. I hope someone with an extensive 101 knowledge will jump in and clear up the confusion that I am about to relay.
Winchester web site says they introduced the 101 in 1963.
Gun Trader's Guide shows the 101 was made from 1963 to 1981.
I have reference material that shows the following: MODEL 101 SHOTGUN - Over/Under, break open shotgun made in Japan by Olin-Kodensha from 1963. Serial numbers begin with "K".
One could assume the "K" stands for Kodensha.
Here is where it gets weird. The Blue Book of Gun Values shows a chart for 101 serial numbers. It begins in in the year 1959 and ends with the year 1971.
It shows they began making them in October of 1959, starting with serial number 50,000. The last record begins in May of 1971, beginning with serial number 145,000.
It's possible that either; 1. Production started in 1959, but they were not released for retail until 1963, or 2. The serial number chart is totally wrong.

Clear as mud?
To add to the mystery the records of the Kodensha were always kept seceret because they were making and selling guns under contract with Winchester and selling some of them out the back door all over the world. All the early records of the Kodensha plant were destroyed. The Kodensha plant was in Tochigi,Japan.
 
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