you are building a sniper out of a milsurp

There is a book by D. Boone called "The poor mans sniper rifle" that is about making milsurps into sniper rifles.
Read it years ago and if memory serves, the No4 Mk1 was the best way to go (think it was due to ease of mounting a 10X).
Although the Mauser was up there as well.

Of course all this would clearly be "bubba at work" so ill take an AIA M10 with a mildot 10X;)
 
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I was just thinking with the price of milsurps what it is now and that you can get a new Stevens 200 for less then a full wood Enfield why would you want to try and scope an Enfield.

Nagant receivers are a pain to try to put a scope base on

Most other milsurps are either too expensive when compared to the Stevens or just a pain to try to scope.

back 15-30 years ago there were lots of milsurps for fairly cheap and sporters were a lot more expensive it made economical sense to sporterize and scope milsurps but not any more.

So unless your going to go all out and buy all repro parts and make a sniper clone or buy a milsurp thats been scoped already whats the point??
 
K98 made out of a sporter action with a new slightly heavier barrel & a long side rail mount & a correct vintage scope. A new boyds laminate stock with its thicker cross section would round the package out. Bloody expensive proposition if you ask me.
 
I'm working on 2 - a No1MkIII just for ####s and giggles... but one of the older fellas I shoot with at the club has a No4T - REAL sniper with all the goodies (expect wooden transport case) - so I am using his as a template for a repro - we'll see how it goes around May (when I expect to be done and ready to shoot!)
I'll try to post pics as they come along (with Lou's guidance of course! - thanks Lou!)
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A In tact No.4 (long branch preferred) Receiver from a bubba rifle with a bad bore.
A new 7.62 No.4 Barrel
A set of repro mount
An old style scope (weaver k series under 3x)
Home made wood set made out of maple
Ideally a sterling mag, but If I might try modifying a beat up .303 mag.

That would be the sniper rifle I would make.
 
woodchopper said:
I was just thinking with the price of milsurps what it is now and that you can get a new Stevens 200 for less then a full wood Enfield why would you want to try and scope an Enfield.

Nagant receivers are a pain to try to put a scope base on

Most other milsurps are either too expensive when compared to the Stevens or just a pain to try to scope.

back 15-30 years ago there were lots of milsurps for fairly cheap and sporters were a lot more expensive it made economical sense to sporterize and scope milsurps but not any more.

So unless your going to go all out and buy all repro parts and make a sniper clone or buy a milsurp thats been scoped already whats the point??
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enefgee said:
You could simply use a No4 Mk2 with a no gunsmith mount and a decent scope and rings.
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X2, that would be the route I would go.

The No.4 Mk.1 was a highly regarded sniper rifle in the Second World War, especially after it had some trigger work done on it.

The No.4 Mk.2 makes for an even better platform in terms of trigger consistency.
 
Consider that you could buy a NEW hunting rifle,probably with the reciever already drilled and tapped for bases, attach a scope to it, and have an INSTANT "sniper rifle"
But unless you plan to shoot people like the beltway sniper I don't see the need.

Original military sniper rifles should NOT be messed with and making a fake one only devalues the rifle.
 
We're not sitting at the kitchen table pouring over the Kelly blue-book and trying to decide which Toyota holds it's resale the longest - and lets assume TMIB isn't suggesting we butcher a virgin Milsurp... Think of it from a hobbyist's point of view.

I've always liked the look of the L42A1 "Enforcer". And the stock looks to be cut in the same place most "sporters" are cut. A neat project and possibly a way to bring a little dignity back to a bubba'ed rifle.

Or I've seen a few M48s with holes in the receiver. A set of Zrak rings and an ON-76 scope and you've got a pretty faithful representation of a Serbian sniper rifle.

There was an amazing SVT conversion to SVD here somewhere. Fully reversible and very convincing...
 
Deltasilver said:
We're not sitting at the kitchen table pouring over the Kelly blue-book and trying to decide which Toyota holds it's resale the longest - and lets assume TMIB isn't suggesting we butcher a virgin Milsurp... Think of it from a hobbyist's point of view.

I've always liked the look of the L42A1 "Enforcer". And the stock looks to be cut in the same place most "sporters" are cut. A neat project and possibly a way to bring a little dignity back to a bubba'ed rifle.

Or I've seen a few M48s with holes in the receiver. A set of Zrak rings and an ON-76 scope and you've got a pretty faithful representation of a Serbian sniper rifle.

There was an amazing SVT conversion to SVD here somewhere. Fully reversible and very convincing...
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Actually, someone here has a set of wood for a No4 that is very similar to the L42 stock - he also has a full wood set that's original to the rifle, if he wants to hunt with it, the "bubba'd" (it's really quite a nice bubba) wood goes on along with a mount, I believe, to save the original. Cool solution.
 
Maybe that's me. The top two rifles can be easily put back to 100% stock in a few mins. No harm for all the Military historians :p Why bother making a Military Sniper ? Why not. Do what you like. You may like the result or maybe not. Personally I am getting a heck of a kick out of it. I have just started another. A #4 mk1 Bubba'ed sporter Getting a brand new full wood stock, going to be another Sniper clone without breaking the bank. It's kinda fun to see how good a Old Rifle can shoot. As far as value deprecation goes, I don't care. I buy guns , I don't sell them :sniper:
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The term SKS and sniper are not to be used together. I broke that rule a bit. I will admit nothing has been done in terms of accuracy, just cosmetic.

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Are you talking making a repro sniper or just a Scoped .30 cal rifle capable of decent accuracy?

If it's the second, I'd just buy a sporter gun, it's cheaper.
 
H Wally said:
Are you talking making a repro sniper or just a Scoped .30 cal rifle capable of decent accuracy?

If it's the second, I'd just buy a sporter gun, it's cheaper.
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Are the standard mass produced for economy foot soldier issue rifles (modern or milsurp) equipped with bayonets and made for close quarters fighting using standard issue military ammo capable of an real accuracy?

I always thought the hand picked snipers were given specialized firearms & ammo for that purpose.

I've owned several "trench grade" Lee Enfields & currently own a Mosin 7.62 X 54 & if you can get one that will print groups under 3" @ 100 yds. consider yourself lucky...........those definitely aren't Krieger barrels or Surgeon actions on those things.;)

Most of the SKS I've seen decked out with cheap Chinese scopes couldn't hold a 4" group @ 100 yds........they're nothing but laughable "phonies" like those old Squires Bingham "assault" rifles in .22LR that sold for $49.95 when I was a kid out of the Eaton's catalog.

You can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear. I can't see putting anything more than a $40 Tasco on what is essentially nothing more than a noise maker as far as any serious range work is concerned.
 
Changing out stocks and no D/T scope mounts are easy and there's no messing up an original rifle with cutting or drilling.

For the No4/No5 , I've found the S&K mount pretty reliable on a No5 with that stout recoil .
B-Square mount is good too , but there is abit of tweeking ( easy ) to do to the mount for a secure fit and also a Mkll or Mklll sight can still be used.
I've had issues with the ATI mount becoming loose.

I have alot of fun doing this and I get more out of my rifles... wether it's for fun , hunting or the cool factor.

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