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I'm getting a hunting rifle for Haggis Jnr and not sure which caliber.
To keep the recoil level down,i was going to buy the 7mm-08. Then it was suggested to me,why not get another 270 (which i shoot) and buy the 'recoil management' ammo by Remington which apparently still has the 'knock down' power' out to 200 yards
When he is older,then use the reg.'premium' ammo
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I do not reload and buy only factory ammo
 
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My first rifle at the age of 15 was a 7mm mag sako. The rifle was well balanced and recoil was not an issue. If you want to take junior for game larger than whitetail you might want to go a liitle bigger than a 243 or 7 08.

When he shoots at the range get him a Past recoil shield so he won't develop a flinch. At game he won't even notice recoil. A 308 might be a better choice as the bullet options allow it to be used on moose and such.

Maybe have him try some various calibres from some of your buddies guns to see what his reaction to recoil is like.

You could also get a rifle with a muzzle break. ( I know many of you out there will crap on this idea but the dam things work )
 
If your going to consider reduced recoil loads, buy yourself a reloading setup, and make it yourself. The .270 is great, as is the 7mm-08. Both shadow each other in terms of performance. But I also find they recoil enough to feel them. I don't find one worse than the other, and both are capable cartridges. You might consider a .243 Winchester. It's a great round that he will be able to shoot alot. But it is at best a deer cartridge. If you hunt only deer, it will serve you well, but if you hunt bigger critters, a larger hole will be in order. A 25-06 or .257 Roberts may be a good alternative. A slightly bigger hole, but still mild enough to teach proper shooting technique. Good luck.
 
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If your going to consider reduced recoil loads, buy yourself a reloading setup, and make it yourself. The .270 is great, as is the 7mm-08. Both shadow each other in terms of performance. But I also find they recoil enough to feel them. I don't find one worse than the other, and both are capable cartridges. You might consider a .243 Winchester. It's a great round that he will be able to shoot alot. But it is at best a deer cartridge. If you hunt only deer, it will serve you well, but if you hunt bigger critters, a larger hole will be in order. A 25-06 or .257 Roberts may be a good alternative. A slightly bigger hole, but still mild enough to teach proper shooting technique. Good luck.
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Excellent advice for a rifle for a new, young hunter. The only thing I would point out is the 243 is probably better than you suggest. With 100 grain bullets that will hold together, it is deadly on moose, if the hits are in the rather large, boiler room. I started a son with this calibre and it wasn't long before a moose bit the dust. A mountain goat is considered a hard animal to kill and I have often seen 300 magnum type rifles recommended, but one shot from the son's trusty 243 and a nice billy rolled down the mountain.
 
You are correct. I agree that a cartridge that you have confidence in can do amazing things. I know that a cartridge you can shoot well will give you the confidence to do thread your bullet into the spot where it needs to be. I'm not one who buys into the logic of saying you need a bigger faster cartridge to kill any particular animal. I know a .22 put in the right spot is magic. But my original concern from the original question asks about reduced recoil loads. That tells me he does not roll his own. I don't know what Vancover has to offer for quality gun shops, but I'm willing to bet that Haggis will be buying his ammo at Canadian tire, or walmart. Most folks do. These store stock base ammo. Winchester power points or Remington Core-loks. These bullets are good, but I wouldn't trust them on bigger critters. But if Federal premiums were in order, I might go with that.
 
Since you already have a .270Win and you do not reload, the choice to me is obvious; get the .270Win! One stop shopping for ammo!
If somehow you ever forgot ammo or your son did well the other guy has the same caliber and ought to be able to spare a few rounds, at least for the day.

I can't imagine there's enough difference in recoil between the 7-08 and the .270 to matter. If you're really concerned about it just avoid buying one of those featherweight mountain rifles.
 
since you asked
buy him the .270
reload for it using starting load power levels and 130 gr bullets for deer or 150's for the bigger stuff
when he's a little older you can step it up a bit if you like.
the extra weight of the long action rifle will take some of the sting out of it and the long action bolt throw will aid him when he steps up to a larger round if he eventually does.
 
I started my daughter off with a M70 Featherweight in .270 Winchester. The gunsmith took 3/8" off the stock and installed a decelerater pad. With about 17gr of SR4759 under a 100gr Speer, recoil is non-existant and velocity runs around 1700fps. These are terrific practice loads for new shooters and you can load up as they progress. An added bonus is with the stock slightly trimmed, that .270 fits me excellent for cold weather deer hunting with heavy clothes on ;) :D
 
Check out the Rem 700 SPS Youth in 7/08. Lots of ammo choices in that caliber and a longer stock is a snap for any Rem 700 when the time comes.

Maybe it's time to get into reloading. :wave:



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I would buy a Rem 700 SPS Youth in 7/08, or a Remington Model Seven in either the Youth or Regular. They weigh 6 1/4 or 6 1/2 pounds, and the youth model seven is an inch shorter on the stock.

How big is your son, if he isn't very big that would suit him? I have Remington 700 BDL blued model that was in 6mm and I had a new Remington 22" stainless mountain rifle barrel in 7mm 08 installed and it changed the weight of the gun. The gunsmith said it weight about a 1/2 lb more than his number seven in 7mm 08. I would go with the 7mm 08 because the actions are shorter and less weight to carry around.
 
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Why overlook the Remington 700 Mountain DM in .260 ???

I have one of these and it is a light well balanced gun. It fills that gap between the 7mm-08 and 270 plus adding the fact of a short action rather than the long of a .270

Just a thought?

Arch:)
 
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