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would Zamak be strong enough for an action like this in .22lr I know HI point's are made from it as well as cheap pocket guns you find in the US


ps I don't really know if this belongs here but looking at future manufacturing plans and think die casting would be the best option. also thinking of ruger 10/22 barrels so you could change them out easily for different lengths and or bull barrels.
 
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Henry rimfire lever guns and Ithaca model 72's have Zamak receivers. I had to do a search to confirm it, but the name sounded familiar. I'm not sure if it would work for the model you are looking at, as they are very different in design. I think that those would be a fun rifle if they were chambered for centerfire pistol cartridges as well (38/357 for example). You would need a stronger receiver for that of course.

Jim
 
Workin Man said:
Henry rimfire lever guns and Ithaca model 72's have Zamak receivers. I had to do a search to confirm it, but the name sounded familiar. I'm not sure if it would work for the model you are looking at, as they are very different in design. I think that those would be a fun rifle if they were chambered for centerfire pistol cartridges as well (38/357 for example). You would need a stronger receiver for that of course.

Jim
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as far as I know hennery uses for their action covers on the rimfires Glock uses it too most likely for the slide? id be using zamak 3 most likely looks like the strongest.

something in .38/.357 would work with steel but then CNC would be involved driving the cost/time up a bit and in turn drive the cost up to the customer but would be cool none the less could even do some .32 caliber(.32 S&W) or .25-20.

I may experiment with some steel tubing and plate welded together to get a prototype if that works It could be alright for production i.e. less machining involved.
 
Glock slides are steel.
A lot of lower priced European revolvers like Arminius and Schmidt use injection moulded zinc frames. And the cheap US made .25 autos have die cast frames and slides. So does HiPoint. Modern coatings allow the castings to be given a durable finish.
 
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Glock slides are steel.
A lot of lower priced European revolvers like Arminius and Schmidt use injection moulded zinc frames. And the cheap US made .25 autos have die cast frames and slides. So does HiPoint. Modern coatings allow the castings to be given a durable finish.
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so yay or nay on a .22lr in zamak 3 and would cerakote be one of those finishes?
 
I have a friend who is looking into starting a small business doing 3d metal printing. Prototypes, design, small runs of oddball things.
Really don't know much about the applications but if things like this are a possibility there's a lot of potential for interesting old designs that might not be viable for large scale production.
 
Ithaca made a little Martini style single shot .22 with a die cast receiver and breech block.
The Henrys may be among the more appealing .22s with die cast receivers. It isn't a process much used for top quality guns.
 
perfect I have been thinking about something like this for a bit but blew it off because machining would be costly and then I seen something about zamak and looked around the net.

good news is if I can get the dimensions down I live in a area where theirs more tool and die shops than I can count most do big work for auto makes and such but there's quite a few small ones around.
 
tiriaq said:
Ithaca made a little Martini style single shot .22 with a die cast receiver and breech block.
The Henrys may be among the more appealing .22s with die cast receivers. It isn't a process much used for top quality guns.
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id like to think of something like a warner more like an economy gun/tappers gun.

that Ithaca is and odd ball looks like a Winchester 92? and had a fake mag tube but its a single shot they even come in .22 mag.
 
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Gevarm receivers, ( the E1 ) are made of the stuff too. There are a number of different alloys, the higher the number the better quality.

Injection molding machines are expensive, as are the dies, and there would be a lot of intermediary steps between the raw casting and finished product.
 
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Gevarm receivers, ( the E1 ) are made of the stuff too. There are a number of different alloys, the higher the number the better quality.

Injection molding machines are expensive, as are the dies, and there would be a lot of intermediary steps between the raw casting and finished product.
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I'm not talking about doing it in my basement. I'm looking to manufacturing a few different things mostly outdoor related equipment like velomobiles(top of the list right now and building a prototype on and off from junk Chinese bikes),a portable chainsaw mill, 2 wheel drive "moto tractor"(think rokon but a little different) and possibly other things in the future.
obviously the firearms side of things would have to be in a different area of a building or completely separate do to people working on them needed a PAL.

with what's happening now I can see plenty of welders and machinist being jobless soon so employee's shouldn't be hard to come by.
 
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You and i should have met when i lived in Ontario
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if you are ever down this way let me know.

I'm just getting sick of Chinese junk and want to bring some economy back to my area that doesn't rely on the auto industry(fragile economy). kind of hard hard to do in a city that was built on the auto and liquor industry quite literally ford built up houses in their area so did Hiram walker for workers to live in before that their was very little here mostly farms and 2 small towns.

I also think I can get some of that "green" money for the velomobile idea being environmentally friendly transport and all.
 
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You 'can' use zamack, but for anything but large scale production, the stuff will kill you on the dies costs, for use for something you won't be making millions of.

Despite the fact that Atlas Lathes used the stuff for gears, it should be remembered that Atlas lathes were about as low on the scale as could be got, in respect to being barely capable for their intended purpose, and the gears, if not kept in proper mesh, had a far shorter life span, than they would have had if they had been of sturdy materials.
And that completely ignores the numbers of zamack parts that have simply disintegrated for no apparent reason.

In the scheme of things, CNC equipment is cheap, and there are a whole bunch of third world countries willing to make cheap third world crap, so you would not be able to compete on price. So you might just as well plan around producing quality and skipping the whole zamack idea.
 
trevj said:
You 'can' use zamack, but for anything but large scale production, the stuff will kill you on the dies costs, for use for something you won't be making millions of.

Despite the fact that Atlas Lathes used the stuff for gears, it should be remembered that Atlas lathes were about as low on the scale as could be got, in respect to being barely capable for their intended purpose, and the gears, if not kept in proper mesh, had a far shorter life span, than they would have had if they had been of sturdy materials.
And that completely ignores the numbers of zamack parts that have simply disintegrated for no apparent reason.

In the scheme of things, CNC equipment is cheap, and there are a whole bunch of third world countries willing to make cheap third world crap, so you would not be able to compete on price. So you might just as well plan around producing quality and skipping the whole zamack idea.
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I guess we will see if CNC is used with steel I guess other calibers are an option as well. I think I will make model out of wood and or functioning proto type out of steel that i can coble together here in the basement. what's the new rule for marking a homemade rifle I think I seen it somewhere just can't find it now.

i have thought about something like a model 60 but don't know if their patent protected.
 
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