Zeiss and Swarovskit for long range optics?

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Whats the overall opinion for zeiss and swarovski for long range optics?

Swarovski is pricey but looked through a few and they are crystal clear. Zeiss is a little cheaper but seems really nice as well.

looking at a 5-25 or similar. I know Nightforce and leupold tend to be go to brands but Im weird and like to go slightly different options then others.

Thoughts?
 
I don't know much about the two brands, though I do have a Zeiss HD5 on my hunting rifle. IIRC they have a limited selection of reticles suited to long range target stuff.
 
Schmidt and bender is the best option. Controls are realistic and easy to use. Double turn dial is the best ever. Remember one thing, Ferrari just make fine cars right... Same as schmidt and bender... they just make fine scopes and only scopes...............not range finders, binos and everything else under the sun. It may be a bit more money but once you use one you will not go back. I use my Pm 2 5-25x alot in a wide condition of light settings and its purely superior. I have a leupold mark 4 as well and all it is really good for is daylight clean environments. You notice the difference in the glass at high magnification at super low light conditions. You can view an animal at 700yds at extremely low light at the 18-20X point and still be able to distinguish the amount of tines it has or species. The leupold just goes black over 12X forcing you to turn down to 5 or 6X to see a small black dot moving. Just my experience with really trying out high end stuff to see if its worth the money as there are alot of items on the market out there that arent.
 
Murdoc said:
Schmidt and bender is the best option. Controls are realistic and easy to use. Double turn dial is the best ever. Remember one thing, Ferrari just make fine cars right... Same as schmidt and bender... they just make fine scopes and only scopes...............not range finders, binos and everything else under the sun. It may be a bit more money but once you use one you will not go back. I use my Pm 2 5-25x alot in a wide condition of light settings and its purely superior. I have a leupold mark 4 as well and all it is really good for is daylight clean environments. You notice the difference in the glass at high magnification at super low light conditions. You can view an animal at 700yds at extremely low light at the 18-20X point and still be able to distinguish the amount of tines it has or species. The leupold just goes black over 12X forcing you to turn down to 5 or 6X to see a small black dot moving. Just my experience with really trying out high end stuff to see if its worth the money as there are alot of items on the market out there that arent.
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I disagree. I had PMII 5-25 and found Kahles K624i be better. S&B maybe had a bit better glass clarity to my eyes. That's all. Kahles has a great SKMR3 reticle. Kahles offers a left side windage turret. Kahles has much better second turn dial indication and clicks. What I didn't like about S&B is the tunnelling from 5 to 8, clicks were not very responsive, and I had to confirm them visually every time. The double turn dial looks very cheap (I had a regular scope without MTC/LT). That yellow paper indicator that shows up in the second turn is just a joke for a $4K scope. If you are interested, you can see what the pros use nowadays.

As for the Zeiss and Swarovski, they both are excellent scopes as well. I would pick the one for your specific needs and the one that your eyes like the most. Call Omer at Precision Optics and, he will guide you further. His knowledge and customer service are the best.
 
Many good options out there: if pure glass was the only metric then S+B would likely win but the PM II is dated and it shows. Kahles are excellent but there have been QC issues. If you get a Kahles that is perfect then well ... It's really hard to beat and the SKMR3 ret is IMO the best there is. Other very strong contenders are NF ATACR and Razor II and - drop down about 1 K or so in price - look very hard at Athlon Cronus BTR. These are just my personal observations but I own ( in the case of Kahles have owned ) all these and more so I do have quite a bit of hands on experience.
 
A scope that is not mentioned by most people but i love is the IOR valdada crusador. It is a 6-40 power with 30 mils of travels and no tunneling. Also the glass quality is better then my S and B. The biggest thing i found was the tube is 40 mm which is huge but gives it the better sight picture. If you want more info look on Precision rifle blog and they tested the little brother and it tracked better then any other scope on the market.
 
AI_shooter said:
A scope that is not mentioned by most people but i love is the IOR valdada crusador. It is a 6-40 power with 30 mils of travels and no tunneling. Also the glass quality is better then my S and B. The biggest thing i found was the tube is 40 mm which is huge but gives it the better sight picture. If you want more info look on Precision rifle blog and they tested the little brother and it tracked better then any other scope on the market.
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Lot's of QA/QC issues on the IOR scopes. I've never owned one, but have heard PLENTY of horror stories to stay away from that company. Buyer beware.
 
kthomas said:
Lot's of QA/QC issues on the IOR scopes. I've never owned one, but have heard PLENTY of horror stories to stay away from that company. Buyer beware.
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Me as well. Swarovski/Kahles, Zeiss, S&B, Vortex, NF they all have their distributors in Canada. As far as I know, IOR doesn't. Sometimes issues happen and you definitely don't want to be on your own, especially when you paid $3-4 for the scope.
 
One that I am particularly interested in is the Swarovski X5i 5-25 with Plex retical.

As for use, goal for now is 100 yards targets but after that ill try and stretch out as far as I can go.
 
I wouldn't buy a Plex reticle as it's very simple and doesn't allow the shooter to make horizontal or vertical adjustments using the reticle itself. As far as I know, Plex reticle is placed in the second focal plane as well. Thus, the type of your future shooting is very important. If you think about ELR or PRS, then buy a scope with an FFP. For F-class, Plex will work.
 
I have both Night Force and Swarovski on my long range rifles glass in both is great for the money my reason to go Swarovski was weight I am using the Z5 3.5-18 x 44 at 15.6 ozs had to beat if you are trying to cut weight in a light weight rifle can still get out to past 1000 yards with the Z5
 
Check the vertical adjustment range of the Zeiss and Swarovski. They're mostly made for hunting rather than long-range shooting, however some newer model$ are improved now. In many cases if you're dialing the turret you'll only be able to reach 800 yards or so with a .308-type trajectory.

For truly long range you'll want a scope with 90+ moa of adjustment like a Nightforce, S&B or other scopes with 34mm tubes. The big Nightforces have over 120moa of adjustment!
 
propliner said:
Check the vertical adjustment range of the Zeiss and Swarovski. They're mostly made for hunting rather than long-range shooting, however some newer model$ are improved now. In many cases if you're dialing the turret you'll only be able to reach 800 yards or so with a .308-type trajectory.

For truly long range you'll want a scope with 90+ moa of adjustment like a Nightforce, S&B or other scopes with 34mm tubes. The big Nightforces have over 120moa of adjustment!
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I believe the swaro x5i has a fair amount of adjustability on the elevation but very little on the windage.
 
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