ZF41 value?
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This is where CanadianAR, sigrunes and jbmauser are the best for this.
I am still a slave to my reference books but from what I remember off the top of my head it looks like a mismatch RC JP Sauer receiver and barrel with mismatch parts. Buttplate is blued and should be in the white and not sure if an early front band, milled stock band spring and stamped byf floor plate are correct.
As for the scope, I will let the real scope experts decide but the electropencilling is something the Germans certainly didnt do so I say RC mismatch all around. But of course, the experts need to chime in.
I am still a slave to my reference books but from what I remember off the top of my head it looks like a mismatch RC JP Sauer receiver and barrel with mismatch parts. Buttplate is blued and should be in the white and not sure if an early front band, milled stock band spring and stamped byf floor plate are correct.
As for the scope, I will let the real scope experts decide but the electropencilling is something the Germans certainly didnt do so I say RC mismatch all around. But of course, the experts need to chime in.
This is without doubt a made up rifle from various parts. Sauer was never a zf-41 supplier and the stock looks like a Steyr stock based on the bolt cutout location and shape (hard to tell for sure based on these limited pics). The zf-41 cutout in the stock doesn't look correct either. Obviously there are a bunch of m/m serial numbers and the unnumbered floor plate is totally incorrect.
It's a good looking unit but not a matching original so value will be far less. Tough to put a value on this and the Canadian market seems to be really down as far as K98k values and sales are concerned. To me it would be worth the sum of the parts basically. If the scope and mount are legit there is some value there. I'll leave that to those more familiar with the scopes.
It's a good looking unit but not a matching original so value will be far less. Tough to put a value on this and the Canadian market seems to be really down as far as K98k values and sales are concerned. To me it would be worth the sum of the parts basically. If the scope and mount are legit there is some value there. I'll leave that to those more familiar with the scopes.
As said, ce, sauer, didn't make ZF41 rifles, And it's had parts ground and renumbered.
Honestly if it were me I wouldn't pay $1000 for it. A ground and messed with rifle $500. Scope maybe $500. The scope is earlier numbered type, UN numbered would be worth a bit more.
And the fact that the scope is foggy also kills it. They are not a fun scope to take apart....ask me how I know.
The stamped mount serial matches the electropencilled caps which is good, but not sure of scope serial.
Honestly if it were me I wouldn't pay $1000 for it. A ground and messed with rifle $500. Scope maybe $500. The scope is earlier numbered type, UN numbered would be worth a bit more.
And the fact that the scope is foggy also kills it. They are not a fun scope to take apart....ask me how I know.
The stamped mount serial matches the electropencilled caps which is good, but not sure of scope serial.
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I was offered that rifle on a trade - not right to say the least.
Scope/mount is decent but has warts and pimples.
The previous owner wanted way too much - over 1k and literally I wouldn't value this set $1 over that and think $800 would be more reasonable.
Sum of parts you could squeeze over 1k but that would take a lot of work.
Scope/mount is decent but has warts and pimples.
The previous owner wanted way too much - over 1k and literally I wouldn't value this set $1 over that and think $800 would be more reasonable.
Sum of parts you could squeeze over 1k but that would take a lot of work.
The ZF41 scopes are a real PIA to work on. When they say "Just needs a cleaning" ....RUN!!!
The only scope worse to work on is the ZF4.. With them it is the erector lens that has separated or started to separate and it is crimped into the holder..........
I've done a few ZF41's but sure not my favourite to work on..... Right up there with the ZF4's
The only scope worse to work on is the ZF4.. With them it is the erector lens that has separated or started to separate and it is crimped into the holder..........
I've done a few ZF41's but sure not my favourite to work on..... Right up there with the ZF4's
Coyote Ugly
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There's a guy that repairs German scopes in the states, and over the years on the G43 and K98 Forum, they say he is really good. (See link below - Don Miller)
I don't know if there is paperwork involved (after the 911 attack) being a military scope for import and export across the border?
http://claus.espeholt.dk/useful_addresses.html
I don't know if there is paperwork involved (after the 911 attack) being a military scope for import and export across the border?
http://claus.espeholt.dk/useful_addresses.html
MauserMike
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I sold an authentic scope and mount about a year ago for a cool grand. So I would say about $1500 if the mount is authentic. $500 for a buggered up rifle.
I had a ZF41 rifle offered to me a long time ago. The price was reasonable at the time and the owner seemed like a nice guy. I had purchased some very nice rifles from him.
However I was not experienced in ZF41 rifles and did not know if it was correct.
So I let the deal pass......
Did I miss a good deal?
B
However I was not experienced in ZF41 rifles and did not know if it was correct.
So I let the deal pass......
Did I miss a good deal?
B
I think there might be some serious issues with that one. The barrel does not look original or possibly it's been polished and reblued as CanadianAR mentioned. Stock to metal fit is poor around the receiver. It just doesn't look right based on that pic.
It seems like a lot of folks were fooled into thinking many of the East German/Vopo K98's were original wartime examples up here in Canada. I hate to be blunt but I wonder if it was the same case for ZF41's?
These threads stress the importance of good photos.
-Steve
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Hi billybob,
I am yet to see an authentic sniper posted on this forum with quality photos to back it up. I know there are legitimate German sniper rifles 'out there' but they are extremely scarce and mostly what are thought to be originals are put together or post-war.
I find it very odd that this fellow does not want to relive the war or record his experiences as a German sniper yet he chooses to collect German sniper rifles since the 1950's?
-Steve
student of history
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As Steve mentioned, the rifle shown directly above is likely an East German refurb. I was actually looking at a refurbished zf41 the other day and noticed the same polished finish. My knowledge on these rifles drops off drastically after 1945 as I'm not into the post war stuff but I snapped a couple photos of the post war markings on the receiver as I was intrigued. It's very possible that the rifle I observed came from the same source as the one shown above. Perhaps someone who's more knowledgeable with post war markings can weigh in.
- Chris
Coyote Ugly
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Those are Post War East German Vopo Markings in your pics (second picture) and it is a Vopo rework. Same markings you see on a Vopo Luger, Vopo K98...it looks like a nice rifle for a Vopo.
As Steve mentioned, the rifle shown directly above is likely an East German refurb. I was actually looking at a refurbished zf41 the other day and noticed the same polished finish. My knowledge on these rifles drops off drastically after 1945 as I'm not into the post war stuff but I snapped a couple photos of the post war markings on the receiver as I was intrigued. It's very possible that the rifle I observed came from the same source as the one shown above. Perhaps someone who's more knowledgeable with post war markings can weigh in.
- Chris
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