New Magpul M-Lok

RickR1100 said:
Well, Surefire may have both of them beat:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/11/surefire-rf-r14-minimal-ar-rail/

Note that it can mount mini-rails for dedicated Pica mounting...but by simply using the gaps you can mount right directly between the holes, using a mount meant for the original Pic rails! Meaning, you may not have to buy as many mini rail sections...or maybe none at all, and still be lightweight!
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And SF has a history of making very reliable mounts! lol.
 
mebiuspower said:
M4C: "Magoul makes good stuff, but where they really excel is marketing!" So they're like Apple of the gun world then.
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that's actually a very good way to describe them IMHO except apple is not cheap, on that respect they are more like Volks Wagen... there is a whole lot of other stock/accessories maker, but nothing like Magpul. (says the guy with a Magpul case on his iPhone driving a VW lol)
 
Ix said:
that's actually a very good way to describe them IMHO except apple is not cheap, on that respect they are more like Volks Wagen... there is a whole lot of other stock/accessories maker, but nothing like Magpul. (says the guy with a Magpul case on his iPhone driving a VW lol)
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Please do not insult Magpul by comparing them to Volkswagen.
Volkswagen is the turd of the German automotive industry.
If they were the Volkswagen of the magazine world 1/3 of the cartridges wouldn't load just like 1/3 of the taillights on Volkswagens don't work.
 
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What I meant is Magpul is affordable, well designed and extremly well marketed, people either do not care or love, same could be said for VW.

you did nailed the "you never know if it's gonna turn on" tail light of my VW tho ;) but all things considered they are far from being a turd, I used to drive a Pontiac... Now that was a turd!

thump_rrr said:
Please do not insult Magpul by comparing them to Volkswagen.
Volkswagen is the turd of the German automotive industry.
If they were the Volkswagen of the magazine world 1/3 cartridges wouldn't load just like 1/3 taillights on Volkswagen don't work.
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mini15 said:
I remember when quad rails where the "In" thing, from about 2004-2008 in the AR world you HAD to have quad rails. People would get 10" rail systems to mount a flashlight, VFG and maybe a bi-pod (only accessories relevant to civilians), then cover the rest with rail panels. They would successfully turn a 6-7lbs run into a 12 lbs gun.


Tube style handguards had been around for a while but then Keymod brought them back into the light, now that's the "in" thing. Soon enough this will be. Unfortunately unlike the rail systems and accessories designed for them half of this stuff probably won't be cross compatible.


Kinda gimmicky if you ask me, look at the current proprietary keymod accessories, $100 hand stops (in other words a small bit of metal).


Look at the CF C7's, they just mount their VFG, flashlights, and ANPQ whatever directly to the stock A2 handguard with those little rails. Much cheaper alternative that does the same job.
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Clearly not in the CF.
 
Sinasta said:
Clearly not in the CF.
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Never said anywhere that I was, nor did I say I was an elite operator.

I did however use the bush matter rail type things on my other black rifle which shares almost identical furniture to an AR and couldn't see the disadvantage. Used one of those early barrel clamp type devices to mount a flash light.

Anyone care to enlighten me on the disadvantage of the Cadex Rail sections vs a non free float rail system?

Everyone and their brother coming out with an attachment system is really going to fragment the accessory market.
 
After doing a lot of reading on KEYMOD and how it's almost an elitist platform with companies like KAC using all sorts of proprietary parts that require professional installation. I could see a low cost open source thing like M-Lock taking off.
 
mini15 said:
Anyone care to enlighten me on the disadvantage of the Cadex Rail sections vs a non free float rail system?
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Non free-float rail hand guard like KAC's M4 or M5 RAS have clamps that secure the rail to the upper receiver, thus making a much more rigid and wiggle-free platform to mount your bells and whistles and what have you's. The most obnoxious part about the Cadex rails and VFG's on our hand guards is that the handguards are often loose-fitting and the whole thing wiggles from side to side. Aside from that annoyance, it works.
 
M-Lok all the way.
Armedsask said:
Back on topic!

M-Loc just killed Keymod. Keymod is actually pretty difficult to manufacture. It requires custom dovetail cutters to machine extremely difficult to measure features. This means additional time and additional costs. M-Loc is dead simple, super easy to measure and manufacture with tools that every shop already has. This means CHEAP!

Half turn T-nuts are nothing new. Machining has used them for years in t-slots for fixtures. Making the T-nuts is so simple compared to the Keymod nuts. Everything about M-Loc makes sense.

I am all for M-Loc and I see it becoming the standard in no time. Mark my words, Keymod is dead.
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mini15 said:
After doing a lot of reading on KEYMOD and how it's almost an elitist platform with companies like KAC using all sorts of proprietary parts that require professional installation. I could see a low cost open source thing like M-Lock taking off.
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Try a bit harder. Keymod accessories are not proprietary. They're no more difficult to install than pic rail accessories. Elitist platform? Here's a list of companies offering keymod system.

Aero Precision USA, EK-Series handguard series.
ALG Defense (announced 1/7/14)
AM-TAC Precision / Ambush Tactical - KRS V2 QIK System
Arsenal Democracy, AD Rail handguard series.
Barrett Firearms Manufacturing REC7 Gen II and 98B rifle series.
Bravo Company MFG, KMR series (announced 7/19/13)
B5 Systems, polymer handguard
CMMG Inc. RKM-series
Coronado Arms, Inc.
Daniel Defense M4 V11 Carbine Series, SLiM KeyMod Rail System.
Ergo/Falcon Industries, Ultra Lite Z Handguard (announced 8/3/14)
Fortis MFG, REV and Switch Series
Geissele Automatics MK4KM (announced 5/21/13)
Head Down Products, LLC. Provectus Handguard Series
Heckler & Koch MRS Series (proprietary design, reversing the key-slot direction and spacing)
Hera Arms (under development)
ICE Arms, HG-SR12
Jesse James Firearms Unlimited (JJFU) Nomad Handguard, Rifle and Carbine Series.
KAK Industries
Knight's Armament URX4
Krebs Customs (Announced SHOT Show 2013)
Mega Arms, MKM-series
Midwest Industries MI 17K, Rail systems for Tavor and SCAR rifle series.
Noveske Rifleworks, NSR-series
Odin Works, KMod-series
Parabellum Armament LLC, AK-BAR (AK47 Battle Adaptive Rail) and the AR-BAR (AR15 Battle Adaptive Rail).
Parallax Tactical FFSSR Keymod series
Primary Weapon Systems (PWS)
Quentin Defense KMR Series (announced 11/7/13)
Riverman Gun Works, MBR Rifle and Handguard series (announced 1/14/14)
Robinson Arms, XCR Rifle Series (announced 1/14/14)
Samson Manufacturing Corp. (Debuting at SHOT Show 2014)
Seekins Precision MCSR-V2
SIG Sauer, MPX series carbines
SLR Rifleworks
Spikes Tactical BAR/SAR series (announced 5/11/13)
Strike Industries Mega Fins series (announced 6/21/13)
Troy Industries (announced November 2013 in Canada: Retailers tradeshow)
VLTOR Weapon Systems, VIS-KM and CASV-KM series
556 Tactical, Stryke KeyMod Rail (SKR) series
 
Keymod was out first which explains why so many companies jumped on board. The M-lok is simpler and cheaper to produce, I see it as the better option.

TDC
 
Armedsask said:
Back on topic!

M-Loc just killed Keymod. Keymod is actually pretty difficult to manufacture. It requires custom dovetail cutters to machine extremely difficult to measure features. This means additional time and additional costs. M-Loc is dead simple, super easy to measure and manufacture with tools that every shop already has. This means CHEAP!

Half turn T-nuts are nothing new. Machining has used them for years in t-slots for fixtures. Making the T-nuts is so simple compared to the Keymod nuts. Everything about M-Loc makes sense.

I am all for M-Loc and I see it becoming the standard in no time. Mark my words, Keymod is dead.
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TDC said:
Keymod was out first which explains why so many companies jumped on board. The M-lok is simpler and cheaper to produce, I see it as the better option.

TDC
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Double double on the above! As a machinist, Keymod just looks like a nightmare to machine and maintain repeatability. On the other hand, M-Lok can be carved out with a 1/4" endmill, a 1/8" endmill, and a chamfer tool as well as a t-slot cutter as you have to back-face if the inside of the material if it isn't flat. Super easy to machine and all dimensions are readily measurable with basic tools.
 
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