Review: XCR keymod - 2 session, 350 round review - Newb

Are you at the Egg forum?

Or... I think he was politely trying to poo-poo all the negative comments regarding his situation with the XCR.

As per your conclusion April 14,2014, 11:06 AM

I don't mind relevant negative comments on the gun however randomly posting your personal unrelated malfunction in another person's personal review is kinda weak. The review is for a 2014 keymod version XCR L with updated bolt and firing assembly. The 2014 doesn't even have the parts you posted anymore. My firing pin has not malfunctioned. If you have a problem with your gun, which is a completely different and older version maybe start your own review thread?

EDIT: WetMate, is that a 2014 firing pin? If so, apologies. That sucks. Hopefully that's not an ongoing problem!
 
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IRONICAL OR NOT

On the field, my personal unrelated malfunction will cost lives.
But not to worry to you sir, cause Your firing pin has not malfunctioned so, you'll go home nice'n sound.

I can and will accept that sort of weakness. And for now I still keeping my XCR as of better ones out there.

My apologies to unrelated comments in totally wrong thread.

Holly Halverson from Robarms will resolve that issue of mine by sending new one in exchange for broken.
Will also buy Spare part kit from wolverinesupplies
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/de...pare-Parts-Kit-with-Old-Style-Bolt-Catch.aspx

As I've been told they have not changed a thing in bolt carrier group since 2009. And it is a positive thing.
Bolt catch have been modified - agreed.
Fully Adjustable Stock ...

Will strongly recommend to visit this page:
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/products/firearms/parts.aspx?brand=ROBINSON+ARMAMENT

Bless you all.
 
Just one last thing to add to my review which I forgot...
If you want to be known for making the world's most innovative modular rifle, you have to adopt the friggen' METRIC system for the fasteners! Maybe metric isn't common in firearms manufacture? Please jump in if this expectation is off base.
 
Update: I have just over 800 rounds through the XCR now. I added the Burris Tac30/Fastfire/PEPR combo. This combo added alot more weight than I thought it would.

-1 more stove pipe in a 500 round session. That makes 2 stove pipes in 800 rounds. PMC Bronze. Now that I'm more conscious of it, I did notice some casings on the ground within 5 feet. I've never had it off gas setting #1 so I am going to try gas setting #2 and see if the rifle will live the rest of it's life flawlessly.

-1 more 'fail to feed' (I might be technically incorrect on the vernacular?). My friend who isn't familiar with the gun released the bolt while the charging handle was tilted against his forearm (same thing I did when I first shot the gun.) Then he pulled the charging handle back like a sissy causing there to be 2 rounds in the feeding path. It's no big deal but familiarization is key when it comes to that bulky charging handle.

-We had an old timer with us and he loaded a magazine and then had what looked like a failure to fire. 'CLICK' My reaction...oh sh$t! I was kinda tentative waiting for the unexpected.......I release the magazine and....no rounds, no rounds chambered. "Awesome! Continue on sir. Next time use ammunition."

- Accuracy report? No idea. We were standing around in the middle of a muddy hay field shooting into bails of flax. We didn't have a proper bench and going prone or sitting in the mud wasn't appealing. I managed to get it fairly well dialed in for casual plinking at 50 yards. I didn't even use the Fastfire; at this point it kinda seems like a waste.

A few quotes from my friend who has a Daniel Defense AR with a Vortex red dot:

"It's definitely heavier than my AR but the optic situation must be partly to blame?"
"It's that easy to take apart?"
"WTF!?" This is what he said when he caused the fail-to-feed-charging-handle-sissy-pull incident.
"This thing has barely any recoil."
"I can't believe my gun is restricted."
 
Update: I have just over 800 rounds through the XCR now. I added the Burris Tac30/Fastfire/PEPR combo. This combo added alot more weight than I thought it would.

-1 more stove pipe in a 500 round session. That makes 2 stove pipes in 800 rounds. PMC Bronze. Now that I'm more conscious of it, I did notice some casings on the ground within 5 feet. I've never had it off gas setting #1 so I am going to try gas setting #2 and see if the rifle will live the rest of it's life flawlessly.

-1 more 'fail to feed' (I might be technically incorrect on the vernacular?). My friend who isn't familiar with the gun released the bolt while the charging handle was tilted against his forearm (same thing I did when I first shot the gun.) Then he pulled the charging handle back like a sissy causing there to be 2 rounds in the feeding path. It's no big deal but familiarization is key when it comes to that bulky charging handle.

-We had an old timer with us and he loaded a magazine and then had what looked like a failure to fire. 'CLICK' My reaction...oh sh$t! I was kinda tentative waiting for the unexpected.......I release the magazine and....no rounds, no rounds chambered. "Awesome! Continue on sir. Next time use ammunition."

- Accuracy report? No idea. We were standing around in the middle of a muddy hay field shooting into bails of flax. We didn't have a proper bench and going prone or sitting in the mud wasn't appealing. I managed to get it fairly well dialed in for casual plinking at 50 yards. I didn't even use the Fastfire; at this point it kinda seems like a waste.

A few quotes from my friend who has a Daniel Defense AR with a Vortex red dot:

"It's definitely heavier than my AR but the optic situation must be partly to blame?"
"It's that easy to take apart?"
"WTF!?" This is what he said when he caused the fail-to-feed-charging-handle-sissy-pull incident.
"This thing has barely any recoil."
"I can't believe my gun is restricted."

SnoPac, where did you get the Burris Tac30/Fastfire. Does it really weight 2 lbs? And how long is it?

Thanks
 
I got the optics combo from irunguns. I'm not sure where you got the 2 lbs stat but all assembled it is a hefty piece. Not sure of the exact weight. I measured the length and it's 26cm.
 
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IRONICAL OR NOT

On the field, my personal unrelated malfunction will cost lives.
But not to worry to you sir, cause Your firing pin has not malfunctioned so, you'll go home nice'n sound.

I can and will accept that sort of weakness. And for now I still keeping my XCR as of better ones out there.

What life and death battle are you using your XCR in?
Sorry, I can't follow the rest of your post, my code breaker ring is at home. Not sure where you're going with the rest of it.
 
i really like the xcr concept, i hate the price and i hate the rattle. if i had the money id get one and send it to a gunsmith to make it perfect. Then id be happy but i just couldnt live with myself if i had a bunch of things that bothered me about a rifle i paid 3 gran for. also the springs are noisy, i donno i like it but id love it if it was a gtw firearm. i believe robinson armament is a small company in the USA and maybe ill give it a lil time for them to work out some bugs. Sweet looking gun though :)
 
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Great review...even more impressive for a first time gun buyer/owner!

-1 more 'fail to feed' (I might be technically incorrect on the vernacular?). My friend who isn't familiar with the gun released the bolt while the charging handle was tilted against his forearm (same thing I did when I first shot the gun.) Then he pulled the charging handle back like a sissy causing there to be 2 rounds in the feeding path. It's no big deal but familiarization is key when it comes to that bulky charging handle.#

While your description is descriptive, usually when we use the term "failure to feed", we mean that the operator did everything right, but the gun/magazine let you down. And damaged ammo is chalked up as just that: damaged ammo. In your specific case, we'd describe that entirely as "operator error", and should not be considered a fault of the gun or its design. (Although if the ergonomics on a design are so poor that the man-machine combination regularly creates this, then yea, an ergonomic fault requiring a change. But this doesnt seem to be the case on the XCR's)

Now...when you get two rounds jammed in there, first things first: place the safety ON. Keep your muzzle conciously pointed down range even when clearing the fault. People have a tendency to forget muzzle direction when clearing jams like that. Then remove the magazine. #### the action back, let the rounds and possible debris fall out, cycle the action again, check there are no rounds in the chamber. If everything looks good, put the magazine back on, #### the handle back all the way and release it so the spring does the work of chambering the rounds. Some new users will #### back, and then slowly ease the action forward...and that's wrong, just let the spring do it!

Eye protection: you have an ejection port, brass and gas comes flying outnof...keep your eyes armored so you can keep enjoying thenshooting sports even if something ever strikes your eye.

Accuracy testing:
Generally, the accepted method is to shoot 5 shots (known as a "five shot group") at the same point on the paper, at either 100meters or 100 yards (nearly the same). And then you measure the furthest of the five shots from each other (in inches here in north america; metric millimeters in Europe). For this, its not important for the bullets to strike dead center of the bullzeye, because this is just a test of what the ammo and barrel/rifle can do mechanically. You should mention size of all your groups for each brand and weight of ammo bullet used, because they can perform quite well and poorly. Knowing which ammo yours prefers is good for you and the prospective buyer interested in your type of rifle.

For a semi auto, at 100m,
8" would be considered crap. Many AK-47's can do no better.

5" would be considered dissapointing.

3" is considered acceptable for most uses. The US Govt used to specify no larger than 3" for its new bought M-16's in then1980's.

2" is quite decent, and typical of a new semi auto from most manufacturers. Brand new AK-47 pattern rifles, with quality ammo, have been known to do this consistently, in 5.56 and .308 chamberings, but most were still made in 762x39 which is not shaped well for precision amd the ammo is not real accurate generally.

1" and close to it, is really good, and in semi autos is usually only achieved in AR-15's, and tuned up M1 and M1A rifles. AR's can do this because the barrels are ususally "free floated", and the gas is just a small empty tube...most semi autos use a big piston, and while that's great for reliability, it makes pure accuracy suffer a tiny bit.

Sub 1" is usually for top end heavy barreled AR's, sniper designated marksman rifles.
 
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To get near 1/2" groups at 100m, consistently, usually requires a tuned up bolt-action rifle, varmint, target, sniper rifles. If your XCR could consistently do this, it would be highly unusual and would be big news...so don't expect this.

I think its fair to say if you can consistently get groups 2" and slighly smaller, you ought to be really happy with that. If you don't see that your first time out, don't despair...you are a new shooter, you may be missing part of of the marksmanship fundamentals. Also, you need to try different brands and weights of ammo, some will perform better than others.
 
i really like the xcr concept, i hate the price and i hate the rattle. if i had the money id get one and send it to a gunsmith to make it perfect. Then id be happy but i just couldnt live with myself if i had a bunch of things that bothered me about a rifle i paid 3 gran for. also the springs are noisy, i donno i like it but id love it if it was a gtw firearm. i believe robinson armament is a small company in the USA and maybe ill give it a lil time for them to work out some bugs. Sweet looking gun though :)


If you hate the price get a better job, that's the price we pay to play here and you hating it isn't going to change anything. Name another option that is a better price.
A little wiggle between the upper and lower isn't going to effect anything. Even AR's capable of sub moa will have a little wiggle.
No gunsmith can make it perfect. You will end up spending hundreds of dollars and it won't shoot any better. It was designed to be reliable and easy to maintain, that means looser tolerances to allow it to work even when it gets a little crud in the mechanism, it is sort of like a cross breed of an AK and an AR with some fresh styling thrown in.
The XCR is nowhere near $3000 so I'm not sure what you are talking about.
Noisy springs? Try an AR. It means nothing and effects nothing. Buy a bolt action if you don't like springs.
I don't know what gtw is but it's 3:25am here so maybe my mind is a little slow right now.
A lil time to work out the bugs? They have been in production since 2006, not much more is going to change.
The biggest flaw in the design is the barrel retention system they use to allow quick change barrel and caliber swaps. The design does not lend itself to consistent accuracy but since it was never designed to be a sniper rifle or a DMR it doesn't really matter. It was designed to be an assault rifle and 3-4 inch groups at 100yds is perfectly normal and within spec. Some can do slightly better when the owner finds some ammo their barrel likes but the normal for this platform is 2-4moa.
I'm not a huge fan of the rifle but I have always been interested in it. If it wasn't for the way they mount the barrel I would probably own one. Instead I own an ACR which I think is everything the XCR is and more. I've owned almost every non restricted black rifle available to Canadians and spent time shooting most of the ones I haven't owned and to me the ACR comes the closest to my ideal black rifle. I have 3 different non restricted caliber conversions for it and have no complaints yet.
 
i really like the xcr concept, i hate the price and i hate the rattle. if i had the money id get one and send it to a gunsmith to make it perfect. Then id be happy but i just couldnt live with myself if i had a bunch of things that bothered me about a rifle i paid 3 gran for. also the springs are noisy, i donno i like it but id love it if it was a gtw firearm. i believe robinson armament is a small company in the USA and maybe ill give it a lil time for them to work out some bugs. Sweet looking gun though :)

Hmm...my gun wasn't 3k. I'm not sure the rattle you are referring to? The stock does rattle is I shake the hell out of it but it's 2 mated pieces of sliding metal. It's not an issue and the benefits is simplicity, durablity and function. Noisy springs? Hmmm...As a beginner I don't know what you mean but wait until you hear the noise this gun makes when you pull the trigger...THAT'S noisy. ;)

I think its fair to say if you can consistently get groups 2" and slighly smaller, you ought to be really happy with that. If you don't see that your first time out, don't despair...you are a new shooter, you may be missing part of of the marksmanship fundamentals. Also, you need to try different brands and weights of ammo, some will perform better than others.

Thanks for the tips Rick!
 
http://www.wanstallsonline.com/robinson-arms-xcr-l-tan-7.62x39.html thats 2500 plus tax around 2800 bucks, out here some places have them for 2599 and 2699 plus tax, thats another 12points tax on top so ya its basically a 3 gran rifle. the 223 version is 100 cheaper, still were in the 3k area . i love the acr, theres a non restriceted version done out with comp barrel and 2 stage trigger for 4k right now and im tempted to get it. im kind of cheap though so i think hmm a 3k rifle better be fn awesome but the xcr just has too many bugs for my liking atm. theres also a restricted acr for 2 k i might buy as well. gtw is a tnp reference to a go to war rifle , pistol,knife, gear, its basically the highest marks for reliability a particular firearm and or gear can get. its given to fireamrs with thousands and thousands of rounds fired with no problems. reliability is number 1 to me, i just cant stand having a firearm double feed, ftf, stove pipe ect. and there is such a thing as a 100 percent reliable firearm, i own 4 of them :) knives well thats just another story i often will spend 400 dollars on some nice japanese steel, but im happy because i know im getting my moneys worth. Job sure who couldnt use a lil more money, but how sure are you that you make more then me, but dont worry i wont make it into a battle of the wallet here, you prob do and ur ##### is prob bigger as well CR5
 
http://www.wanstallsonline.com/robinson-arms-xcr-l-tan-7.62x39.html thats 2500 plus tax around 2800 bucks, out here some places have them for 2599 and 2699 plus tax, thats another 12points tax on top so ya its basically a 3 gran rifle. the 223 version is 100 cheaper, still were in the 3k area . i love the acr, theres a non restriceted version done out with comp barrel and 2 stage trigger for 4k right now and im tempted to get it. im kind of cheap though so i think hmm a 3k rifle better be fn awesome but the xcr just has too many bugs for my liking atm. theres also a restricted acr for 2 k i might buy as well. gtw is a tnp reference to a go to war rifle , pistol,knife, gear, its basically the highest marks for reliability a particular firearm and or gear can get. its given to fireamrs with thousands and thousands of rounds fired with no problems. reliability is number 1 to me, i just cant stand having a firearm double feed, ftf, stove pipe ect. and there is such a thing as a 100 percent reliable firearm, i own 4 of them :) knives well thats just another story i often will spend 400 dollars on some nice japanese steel, but im happy because i know im getting my moneys worth. Job sure who couldnt use a lil more money, but how sure are you that you make more then me, but dont worry i wont make it into a battle of the wallet here, you prob do and ur ##### is prob bigger as well CR5

Cool story bro.
 
http://www.wanstallsonline.com/robinson-arms-xcr-l-tan-7.62x39.html thats 2500 plus tax around 2800 bucks, out here some places have them for 2599 and 2699 plus tax, thats another 12points tax on top so ya its basically a 3 gran rifle. the 223 version is 100 cheaper, still were in the 3k area . i love the acr, theres a non restriceted version done out with comp barrel and 2 stage trigger for 4k right now and im tempted to get it. im kind of cheap though so i think hmm a 3k rifle better be fn awesome but the xcr just has too many bugs for my liking atm. theres also a restricted acr for 2 k i might buy as well. gtw is a tnp reference to a go to war rifle , pistol,knife, gear, its basically the highest marks for reliability a particular firearm and or gear can get. its given to fireamrs with thousands and thousands of rounds fired with no problems. reliability is number 1 to me, i just cant stand having a firearm double feed, ftf, stove pipe ect. and there is such a thing as a 100 percent reliable firearm, i own 4 of them :) knives well thats just another story i often will spend 400 dollars on some nice japanese steel, but im happy because i know im getting my moneys worth. Job sure who couldnt use a lil more money, but how sure are you that you make more then me, but dont worry i wont make it into a battle of the wallet here, you prob do and ur ##### is prob bigger as well CR5

There's no "bugs" in my rifle so far unless you consider the 2 stovepipes in 800 rounds. I guess that's why it's an adjustable gas system? I'm going to try setting #2 and based on the first 800 rounds, I doubt it will happen again. I am 100% stoked on my rifle and just wanted to include all the 'negatives' I could to give a fair account. I really had to look for things to be picky about.
 
for the guy who said its not a 3k rifle http://www.wanstallsonline.com/tactical-centerfire-rifles/index8.html

its 2800 plus tax out here in bc. 2 stoves in 800 rounds is not good. i had less in my stock sr22r and i took it apart and polished it and fixed it to the point its 100 percent reliable. thats why i said id like to buy an xcr and take it t a professional so it works 100 percent but it would take along time and alot of money and for that price and caliber id go with a springfield socom 16 in 308, a proven track record and pinnacle of reliability and around 2500 wich will be my next purchase :) an acr after that.
 
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