XCR-L, can it be built better?
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I don't think you understand the conversation that just happened here.
Actually I do. You asked for sources, they were provided, backing up my claims. They were provided and not even by me because I'm too lazy to justify myself, and I don't have to justify myself to a nobody. And in doing so, making you look like an idiot.
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I find that interpretation...entertaining.
10-4, I apologize, I'm used to arguing with the xcr faithful.
The following might help:
Weight is not comparable until you go with the light profile xcr barrel. Major hit to accuracy with those. 3 moa, might as well buy a tavor... Which is more compact, balances better, and more reliable.
I saw more low level reliability issues (parts falling off) and stoppages with my two xcr's than I have with over a dozen ar's combined. Just my personal experience. Nutnfancy's may differ
The xcr is $2700 for the lightweight keymod. That buys you a vltor/ noveske ar with a stainless lightweight profile barrel. Sub moa accuracy, and lighter weight than any model of xcr. Or you can go the other way and pick up a mid grade ar for $1000 less than the xcr, that's still a more accurate, and reliable rifle. And the same weight.
The xcr has two things going for it, the control placement is excellent, and it's nonrestricted. If the barrel attachment method were revised and another manufacturer with tighter quality/tolerance control built it, it could be everything the xcr's fans think it is. But you don't know what you don't know, until you know it...
^^ Thanks for the breakdown. I have no experience with AR's so I wasn't in a position to argue against it's merit.
You've stated that the weight of the newest model is comparable.
There's little doubt that parts falling off and reliability issues are largely attributed to earlier models.
It's non-restricted and the ergonomics are "excellent"
Accuracy isn't as great as it should be for a $2500 gun.
To me the meat of the debate with the XCR seems to be the price. If it was a sub $2000 gun I bet people would be less critical of the XCR's design. It's really too bad that Canadians get bent over the couch just because we want to be able to shoot our guns somewhere other than a private range. Cheers.
You've stated that the weight of the newest model is comparable.
There's little doubt that parts falling off and reliability issues are largely attributed to earlier models.
It's non-restricted and the ergonomics are "excellent"
Accuracy isn't as great as it should be for a $2500 gun.
To me the meat of the debate with the XCR seems to be the price. If it was a sub $2000 gun I bet people would be less critical of the XCR's design. It's really too bad that Canadians get bent over the couch just because we want to be able to shoot our guns somewhere other than a private range. Cheers.
Excuse me ?
I've owned two xcr's.
I've owned almost every non restricted black rifle available to us.
I've owned quite a few ar's.
I shoot more than the average gun owners, around 10,000 rifle rounds per year.
I think I've got a pretty solid base on which to comment. It's based on my experiences with said rifle, compared to experiences with others.
I don't know about the whole forum, but it doesn't seem to have done you any good, that's for sure.
Mauser GDog
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I don't think any other rifle gets us so stirred up on CGN!?
I've shot the XCR a few times, from the earliest version to most recent, and I've been damn close to buying one many times to fill that NR/.556 slot that I can't quite seem to fill...
I think deep down we can all agree on this, lovers and hater alike... the XCR is (IMO) a stubborn design by a stubborn man.
I've shot the XCR a few times, from the earliest version to most recent, and I've been damn close to buying one many times to fill that NR/.556 slot that I can't quite seem to fill...
I think deep down we can all agree on this, lovers and hater alike... the XCR is (IMO) a stubborn design by a stubborn man.
Unfortunately we live in Canada where the threat of being screwed by the Gov't is very real. The unfortunate reality is at any time 1 or more of our rifles could be banned, and the Tavor is pretty high on that list. I love Tavors, and if it weren't for the f'ing gun prohibitionists, I'd buy two. Buying two different rifles reduces the chances of having no rifles somewhat. Heck - if the laws weren't so stupid - I'd have a non restricted AR15, and then we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.
They've definitely never impressed me.
tactical870
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I love all the posts. My XCR shoots MOA with the right ammo, in either the 223 configuration or 6.8SPC set up
Build quality of the Swiss Arms was definitely superior but mine didn't impress me in the accuracy department. If I was going into battle and had to choose between an XCR and a Swiss Arms I would take the Swiss for reliability but I would take the XCR for it's ability to use AR mags. Throw a quality AR into the choices and the AR wins every time.
Lol, I haven't checked CGN for a couple days and I missed 4 pages of entertainment in this thread alone. I better check more often.
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andrew3081
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Vancouver, BC
10-4, I apologize, I'm used to arguing with the xcr faithful.
The following might help:
Weight is not comparable until you go with the light profile xcr barrel. Major hit to accuracy with those. 3 moa, might as well buy a tavor... Which is more compact, balances better, and more reliable.
I saw more low level reliability issues (parts falling off) and stoppages with my two xcr's than I have with over a dozen ar's combined. Just my personal experience. Nutnfancy's may differ
The xcr is $2700 for the lightweight keymod. That buys you a vltor/ noveske ar with a stainless lightweight profile barrel. Sub moa accuracy, and lighter weight than any model of xcr. Or you can go the other way and pick up a mid grade ar for $1000 less than the xcr, that's still a more accurate, and reliable rifle. And the same weight.
The xcr has two things going for it, the control placement is excellent, and it's nonrestricted. If the barrel attachment method were revised and another manufacturer with tighter quality/tolerance control built it, it could be everything the xcr's fans think it is. But you don't know what you don't know, until you know it...
What? XCR-L can be bought for $2350 before tax. At least know the prices of XCR-L
Yeah I've looked at a Tikka tactical in .308 ,but for some silly reason it's not offered in a semi-auto. version. Maybe you should check the forum your in before you post.
Very true but some guys just want to have a semi auto black rifle.
Now back to the hunting and precision forums with you
The point is that if I want an accurate gun, I will get bolt action. Bolt action will always be more accurate. Semi auto rifles have their pros and cons.
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andrew3081
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Vancouver, BC
Vltor/ noveske ar15 run for around $3100 to $3400 after taxes.
And I bought my XCR-L for less than $2500 with taxes and SHIPPED to my door from a retailer. So no its not $2700.
Sweet, dully noted, and we don't care.
I get tired of listening and reading individuals, and the same individuals over and over, bashing other's rifles because......... it's not a combat or battle proven rifle.
I'm an AR guy too, I just prefer the XCR for various reasons based on experience. and it's not because I'm a "Fanboy". it makes this (from ntm):
Excuse me ?
I've owned two xcr's.
I've owned almost every non restricted black rifle available to us.
I've owned quite a few ar's.
I shoot more than the average gun owners, around 10,000 rifle rounds per year.
I think I've got a pretty solid base on which to comment. It's based on my experiences with said rifle, compared to experiences with others.
pale in comparison.
so far the only arguments that really have been presented (over and over) are: it's not combat proven (which is pointless anyway for a civilian gun) and Alex Robinson is an idiot ( I completely agree on this one, I miss Terra (XCRmonger) so much) but his design is ingenious. please note, ntm compared the XCR in it's stock configuration against a Noveske which is a purpose built, tight tolerance civilian gun. of course, with this comparison the noveske does indeed have the advantage. When I compare the XCR to something, it is the Colt M16/M4 family because it was designed to replace this weapon platform. and in this case I believe the XCR has the advantage. In the end does my opinion matter, no.
Can it be better built? sure it can, so can the AR, AK, Tavor, M14, ect. As every single one of these rifles are constantly being updated and improved every year.
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