That is the best quick change system ever made
Too bad a complete upper costs $1500+. I love both my PWS rifles and would like to find another upper or two. Cost is holding me back.
XCR-L, can it be built better?
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That is the best quick change system ever made
Too bad a complete upper costs $1500+. I love both my PWS rifles and would like to find another upper or two. Cost is holding me back.
I've actually asked that question on the xcr forums, lol !
No sensible answer was presented.
Probably just comes down to guys wanting something different.
Similar to why anyone ever bought a Swiss Arms, they are $1000 more than an XCR and from my experience weren't much more accurate. They are nice but not $1000 nicer. I bought one to see what all the fuss was about and sold it 6 months later.
If you can afford it why not try a different platform? Also keep in mind that South of the border XCR's and ACR's don't cost as much as they do here.
I now realize it is possible as I read about another who has used a Herron Arms SS rifle barrel to achieve a significant improvement in accuracy over the factory set-up on his XCR-L. However the cost maybe prohibitive for some as it's likely to turn your $2,500 investment into a $4,000 one overnight and that's w/o optics.
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I think if I wanted a "Rolls Royce" accurate semi-auto, I would just buy an ACR. I think of the XCR as a highly evolved AK47.
The problem is, if you're in the woods doing "tactical drills", you are shooting so fast that the accuracy doesn't matter (the balance is more important). And if you're doing long range target shooting, the semi-auto doesn't matter. So the ACR is just a luxury that isn't necessary.
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They are easy $1000 nicer ! The Swiss is truly military grade , high quality night sights , superior coatings like nitro carb. Take both the Swiss and the XCR into rough or combat conditions then tell me its not $1000 nicer LOL .. The machining on the XCR looks like it was done by a highschool shop class compared to the Swiss.. The reason the Swiss has about the same accuracy as a good AR or XCR is because it has a military type chamber that is cut looser than a match chamber, and has a longer throat to increase reliability.. You would not want a match chamber on a infantry rifle. If you drug both rifles through the dirt or put very high round counts through them u would see the difference quick.. What military used the XCR?
but according to the qualities you describe, the Swiss would compare with the Tavor. And Tavor > Swiss Arms IMO. You can shoot the Tavor and clear houses all day - try doing that with the Swiss sore Arms.
I tried to do a ton of research before purchasing and the reasons I bought an XCR are as follows:
#1 - Non-restricted black rifle. I did months of internet reading and despite all the negatives I read about the XCR, there were hundreds of satisfied owners. Clearly the gun has been polarizing since it's inception and coming from the car tuning scene, it seemed no different than the overblown car vs. car debates I was accustomed to reading.
#2 - Price - I didn't want an AR because they're restricted but I wanted something of high quality. The XCR was at the TOP of my price range and I wasn't going to spend a penny more for my first gun.
#3 - The theory and design made sense. I have no idea if they are better or not but right wrong or otherwise, new ideas should improve firearms design across the board. To add to this, bullpups seemed alien to me. In my rookie state of mind, I didn't even consider one.
Given those three reasons, as well as the alternatives so far unmentioned (Jr Carbine, Benelli, T97, Keltec SU16, Mini14 Tactical, etc, etc..) the XCR was a perfect fit for me.
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Never said anything bad about the Tavor i prefer it over the Swiss in many ways , its a great rifle made by a highly respected company thats made military grade rifles for some time , all the parts are MPI tested and barrel is chrome lined, all pins or bolts are staked or retained ect .. Rifles made by IWI or Swiss SIG are on another level than the RA XCR built to civilian market standards.
I like the Swiss and the Tavor, despite my opinions about bull pup rifles. I get it that you don't like the XCR. OK. But just because a rifle isn't formally adopted by a military doesn't make it inferior to other designs. In fact, I think the platform's lineage speaks volumes; ak-47, ar-15, and FN Fal (and that's for both L and M models). Ease of maintenance and repairability aside, the XCR is well within the battle standards criteria.
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I dont mind the XCR , its great for what most civilian shooters do , just did not agree with that comment that rifles like the Swiss are not worth the extra 1k... The XCR is NOT well within ''battle standards criteria''. with a few small upgrades like changing the barrel retention method, retained screws , MPI testing , better barrels yes they could be . But then it would cost 1k more , there's no reason for them to do those things on a civilian only rifle. With Swiss Arms , IWI , Colt , BCM, FNH you paying for those next level ''milspec'' process , Just comes down to is it worth it for you to pay ? Comparing a XCR to the Swiss Arms is like comparing a DPMS AR to a KAC AR , yes they both may work great at the range and both shoot tight groups ,but when it came down to it you would want the KAC.
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The day AR15 becomes non-restricted is the day I buy one. Then the ACR becomes over-priced pointlessness. The XCR would still be useful though, for a lower maintenance SHTF type rifle - like an AK47 replacement.
I think of the ACR as an AR15 competitor, and an XCR is a AK47 competitor.
Your wrong. The XCR is capable of 100mm groups (with optics, 150mm without) at 100m and will fire 800 rounds before a single stoppage. Battle standards criteria. There is also something about ease of maintenance, but I don't feel like looking for it in my paperwork. Suffice it to say the XCR is capable of the to, considering it has 5 parts field stripped.
Further more, every single screw on that gun is torqued as such; hand tight plus 1/4 turn (except the barrel screw and another one, I can't remember which, I'd have to check. They have torque poundage) yes the barrel is retained by a screw, BUT it is secured by the bolt and head space (weapon won't fire if the bolt isn't seated in the barrel extension). So retaining method is immaterial. Barrel is an aftermarket barrel to adapt to our laws. The chamber is 556 even though stamped 223 for export.
Are you in the military?
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My Norinco CQA can do all those things too , so whats your point ?? How many carbine classes have your run with your XCR? Dont be such a fanboy lol, I like the XCR , its a great NR option for the money here in Canada , it could be better though but would cost more .. If ARs were NR there would be much better out there for the money... But the XCR is a piston gun and does caliber conversions so thats a huge plus for some people too..
That's good considering your CQA is built on the old colt cnc machinary.
I've done and taught a few carbine courses, with AR platform and others. I don't use my gear I abuse it, then fix it when it breaks, simple as that. I mean, since I last cleaned my rifle I've got 2000+ rounds through it.
My point is: you giving your opinion (based on conjecture and heresay) that the XCR (being a civilian gun, which by the way isn't entirely true anymore) is not on par with other (combat) firearms. And could be better built. (based on your extensive knowledge and experience?) You compare it to a high school shop project and yet you use the norinco CQA as a comparison? Comical.
