Trying the SVT-40 (and my) Accuracy at 200 yards for the first time (pics included).

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So, on Saturday I was "out a visiting" some relatives, mostly looking to get some good gopher time in, but the weather just wasn't co-operating. It was cool and overcast all day, around 8C, and wind gusting from 15-30kph. In that kind of weather, the gophers are smarter than your's truly - they stay cozy inside for the day.

But, I wasn't about to waste the trip. It wasn't raining. So I might as well pull out some IPSC cardboard and get some practice shots in. I had my SVT-40 with me, because I'm entered in a fun shoot with it at the end of June. Which was kinda cocky of me, really, for the following reasons:

I've been shooting, off and on, for about 35-37 years. BUT, it's always been basic farm style shooting. Mostly standing and off the shoulder, or off a fence-post at best. Nothing particularly disciplined. Also, I never bothered buying my own rifles or getting my permits until last year. Big extended redneck family, there was always lots of rifles kicking around when I wanted to go shooting with my cousins. Which, in a way, is both a good and bad thing. I learned to shoot whatever I got handed - open sights, peep sights, scopes, bolts, semis, levers, pumps, random calibres that someone had a box of shells kicking around... You get the idea.

As a result, I've never, as far as I can tell, shot much past 100 yards. Doing that kind of shooting, it just doesn't happen, in my world anyway. I've also developed a fairly quirky shooting style (if it can be called "style" ).

Anyway, the night before I picked up some IPSC targets because I figured I should probably get some practice in if I can, so I don't make a complete fool of myself at the fun shoot. Because the gophers were staying indoors, I had some time to get my practice in. I set up the targets in a really nice natural shooting range out at the place I was visiting, and spent some time faffing around at 100 yards, a bit of prone, a bit off hand. To be honest, I was moderately impressed with the results I was getting, knowing the limits of my own abilities, and I wasn't putting a lot of discipline into it.

Also, I was stalling, because I was bit apprehensive about even trying to hit the target at 200yards with open sights. Eventually, I got over it, and wheeled out 200yards (ish - probably somewhere between 195-205 yards, running a yard wheel across uneven ground isn't super accurate).

So, here are the technical details for anyone I haven't bored away already:

Rifle: 1940 Tula Arsenal - all matching except forced matched bolt and magazine (I double checked this rifle, everything else matches, no x's on the stock, or flat spots on the metal work where old serials were ground away).
Ammo: 1960's production PRC ammo - corrosive FMJ, 180gr, I think, dunno for sure, I don't read Mandarin. The stuff you get cheap by the crate right now at TradeEx
Weather: Cool and windy, 15 gusting to 30kph almost directly 90 degrees left to right.

The Rig: (Click to Enlarge)


The View: (Click to Enlarge)
NB: Yes, the IPSC targets are in frame, just a crappy shot with my Cel Phone. They're basically 15 or 20 feet to the right of the fencline, about 5 feet apart, at the base of where the ground rises up.


Ok, at this point, now I'm worried. The targets are invisible in the photo, but I can see them by the naked eye. If I'd been smart, I would have turned them around to put the white side against the earth-tone background. But I'm not that smart, and left the brown side facing me. I can see them, but d@mn, that's a long ways off, and they look tiny.

But, nothing for it but to do it. I fluff up my back-pack and set the magazine of the SVT on it as a bit of a stabilizing mono-pod, click the battle sight up a notch to 200, take my time, line up, and *crack*... ouch. I had my earplugs in, but did I mention I pretty much only shoot standing off-hand? The SVT's recoil isn't bad that way, but when you're prone and locked in, and that steel buttplate slams into the top of your collarbone, it friggin hurts. I drape my gunsock over my shoulder and line up again. I put the rest of the five round string into one target, reload, take my time with my shots, and put the second string into the second target.

I hope. At this range I have zero idea if I'm hitting anything but the rise in the ground behind the targets - I do see the puffs of dirt. Time to go for a walk.

I hadn't really planned on taking pics (anyone who can read the data on the enlarged pics will see the pics of the view and setup were taken AFTER these two pics), but after walking up to the targets, I just had to:

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What... the... hell...

10 for 10 on paper, and 4 in the "A Box" (I hear that's what the young cool kids call it, so we'll go with that). I was. Well, kinda shocked. The front post on the SVT practically covers the target at that distance. And this is my first time ever trying to shoot at 200 yards.

So, of course, the inevitable happened. I hurried back to my rifle to cut lose a 2nd string of 10 shots. And sucked. Hard. I think I got 5 or 6 on paper. I hadn't settled down after hurrying back, and was a bit excited and winded. Even at a fast walk, I'll need to remember to give myself a chance to settle down and catch my breath before trying to place shots at that distance. No photos of that string, but if you're paying attention and count tape marks, you can figure it out with the 3rd string. Personally, I didn't want the evidence to be too clear.

Anyway. Lesson learned. When I get back to my rifle this time I take a few minutes to have a sip of water and a smoke and settle down a bit. And then let loose two more 5 shot strings - one at each target.

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Huh. At first I thought I went 9 for 10, but if you look closely at that second pic, you'll see the middle hole in the D-Ring is actually a figure 8 - two shots. Heck. I got 10 for 10 on paper. Again. This is starting to look like a good day.

So, back to my shooting spot, another sip of water, another smoke. But that only goes so far. I've walked back and forth 200 yards 3 times now, not including setup. It's starting to wear me down a bit. I'll take one more string and call it a day.

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9 for 10, and still managed to drop a couple into the "A Box." I'll take it.

Conclusion:

Anyone who says the SVT-40 is an inaccurate rifle, must have got a bad one. For a 74 year old, 1st Gen Semi Auto Battle Rifle, that worked its way through the Eastern Front and then sat in cosmoline for gawd knows how long, this thing can sling them in. In the hands of someone who actually knows what they're doing, I suspect that even at this range, it could be dropping most of them into the A Box.

Keep in mind, it was kinda windy, and the shooter himself (me), has never tried shooting at these kinds of distances before. I think if you get a chance to get one with a good bore and a reasonably tight fitting stock, for the price of them right now, BUY IT. This is an awesome little rifle, and 7.62x54R is a known hard hitter.

Anyway, not that anyone is still reading at this point, but the next time I read someone griping about the SVT being inaccurate and unreliable (BTW: Gas set at "3" - and not a single failure all day, with 120 rounds total fired, including the plinking I did before and after the 200 yard shooting), I'm going to call BS and point at this post. Either they got a bad one (it happens), or they need to better learn the care and maintenance of a vintage rifle, and spend some more time working on their basics.
 
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We were strapping flares to half-full propane tanks one day and my buddy's first shot at about 100yrds with my SVT-40 hit the flare directly and blew it in half.
No one would volunteer to restrap the flare halves to the tank and we got no fireball on that particular run.
 
grelmar: I'm getting ready for probably the same "fun shoot" and am thinking of using my scoped SVT former sniper. Shot a few hundred yard groups (using a sandbag) over the weekend and typically had the usual 3 or 4 decent shots with a flyer thrown in. The trigger pull is horrible on every SVT I've tried. So I settled down and tried really hard to modify my trigger squeeze to work with the rifle and got the group on the right. An honest 2.0 inch group with 3 shots sub inch. That's about as good a group as I can get with my No. 4T. At last years shoot we included the 400m distance (450 yards) and this should work fine at that range. The rifle is a '41 sniper with aftermarket mount and an original SVT calibrated scope. The mount fits perfectly and allows free recoil against its spring. All I did to the rifle was to shim the action for snug fit in the stock. It came from re-furb with the barrel fully free floated although I plan to test shimming for up-pressure at the forend tip. See you at the shoot!

Milsurpo
 
grelmar: I'm getting ready for probably the same "fun shoot" and am thinking of using my scoped SVT former sniper. Shot a few hundred yard groups (using a sandbag) over the weekend and typically had the usual 3 or 4 decent shots with a flyer thrown in. The trigger pull is horrible on every SVT I've tried. So I settled down and tried really hard to modify my trigger squeeze to work with the rifle and got the group on the right. An honest 2.0 inch group with 3 shots sub inch. That's about as good a group as I can get with my No. 4T. At last years shoot we included the 400m distance (450 yards) and this should work fine at that range. The rifle is a '41 sniper with aftermarket mount and an original SVT calibrated scope. The mount fits perfectly and allows free recoil against its spring. All I did to the rifle was to shim the action for snug fit in the stock. It came from re-furb with the barrel fully free floated although I plan to test shimming for up-pressure at the forend tip. See you at the shoot!

Milsurpo

Nice shooting! And nice rig. I see you went with the PPSH style sling, which is a match for the original slings, just with different stamps. Also notice that you shoot out at the Homestead range. I go out there when I don't want to bother the relatives with the noise of the boomsticks, or when I really want to burn through hundreds of rounds.

More and more I'm starting to think of picking up one of the "repro" snipers from Corwin. All my "reading" about the SVT before I picked one up over the winter was kind of a mixed bag. Some real love/hate going on out there.

But the longer I hang out around here and keep reading, I'm seeing more positive thoughts about the rifle. And the more I shoot it myself, the more I like it. I'm about halfway through my first crate o' ammo now, and the thing is growing on me. Enjoy it much more than my 91/30, and I need to get my M44 out a few more times befor eI can comment there. The M44 is a bit handier for standing / off hand shooting, I just haven't gotten around to working it on paper and seeing what kind of accuracy I can wring out of it.

Look forward to seeing you at the "fun shoot" - from what I've been reading, it looks like there will be several SVT's out there.
 
grelmar: I'm getting ready for probably the same "fun shoot" and am thinking of using my scoped SVT former sniper. Shot a few hundred yard groups (using a sandbag) over the weekend and typically had the usual 3 or 4 decent shots with a flyer thrown in. The trigger pull is horrible on every SVT I've tried. So I settled down and tried really hard to modify my trigger squeeze to work with the rifle and got the group on the right. An honest 2.0 inch group with 3 shots sub inch. That's about as good a group as I can get with my No. 4T. At last years shoot we included the 400m distance (450 yards) and this should work fine at that range. The rifle is a '41 sniper with aftermarket mount and an original SVT calibrated scope. The mount fits perfectly and allows free recoil against its spring. All I did to the rifle was to shim the action for snug fit in the stock. It came from re-furb with the barrel fully free floated although I plan to test shimming for up-pressure at the forend tip. See you at the shoot!

Milsurpo

According to russian source simply placing a piece of thick non-elastic material at the lower forend tip(between lower heat shield and the tip of the stock, somewhat increasing the distance between the forward tip of the lower heat shield and the crossbolt) takes care of the flyer shots. As he explains that in this case the stock will receive the recoil through the flare of the muzzle brake and lower heat shield precisely through the axle of the barrel. And the barrel will just stretch without unwanted jump, thus eliminating the flyer shot...(R.N. Chumak, guns.ru) I am doing the same thing to my SVT and will try this weekend...
 
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I have to read through his book again...Interesting moment: he is talking about the "flyer shot" and accidental discovery that the soaking the rifle in water for 12 hours eliminates the flyer shot--the stock "swells" and firmly fixes the barrel from the offset during the shot.( R.N. Chumak, Self-loading and automatic Tokarev rifles, p. 183)
 
I have also heard that removing the cleaning rod from the rifle can help your accuracy, that the rod can mess with the barrel harmonics when firing
 
I have to read through his book again...Interesting moment: he is talking about the "flyer shot" and accidental discovery that the soaking the rifle in water for 12 hours eliminates the flyer shot--the stock "swells" and firmly fixes the barrel from the offset during the shot.( R.N. Chumak, Self-loading and automatic Tokarev rifles, p. 183)

Interesting... I wonder if you could achieve the same effect by corking the forend. Most rifles benefit from free-floating the barrel, but some get good effects from corking (basically shimming with cork) the tip of the forend to firmly seat the barrel and dampen vibrations.


I have also heard that removing the cleaning rod from the rifle can help your accuracy, that the rod can mess with the barrel harmonics when firing

I've heard that before, but keep forgetting to try it out when I get out to do some shooting. I was out shooting again yesterday, and I don't think it would have made a difference. The rifle showed up, but I sure didn't. Ever have one of those days when you're swearing after every other shot, because you know as soon as you pulkl the trigger that you flubbed it? That was my day yesterday.
 
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