bolt together AR platform frame
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But what if you bolted all but one piece together then it would be not be restricted or even a firearm at all, no?
If its avalible as a parts kit it might be useful for someone who wants to start building an AR while waiting for their RPAL or nice to have in case completed lowers are reclassified and confiscated. As long as it is incomplete then you would be good to go. Might even make importing incomplete lowers easier.
If its avalible as a parts kit it might be useful for someone who wants to start building an AR while waiting for their RPAL or nice to have in case completed lowers are reclassified and confiscated. As long as it is incomplete then you would be good to go. Might even make importing incomplete lowers easier.
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If you want to be the test case in determining what the 80% point is.
A stripped lower is considered a firearm. In the US as soon as you bend an AK flat into a U shape it is a receiver.
I'd highly doubt you'd be able to mount a strong legal defence possessing all of the finished parts, save for one finished piece not being bolted on.
But its your gamble.
A stripped lower is considered a firearm. In the US as soon as you bend an AK flat into a U shape it is a receiver.
I'd highly doubt you'd be able to mount a strong legal defence possessing all of the finished parts, save for one finished piece not being bolted on.
But its your gamble.
I'm not saying I want to be the test case. More than 80% of the pieces bolted together would be when you should contact the CFC I would imagine but I don't know. I've never built my own rifle. I may try building one now as this allows people without much machining or CNC skills to try their own gun smithing project.
Its an interesting situation. What if all the parts were individually available from a bunch of different retailers? One sells part A, another part B, another C....no single part is considered the receiver, even if all bought at once. its not assembled. Furthermore, lets say someone has all the different parts in a ziploc bag in a droor...could anyone really claim its a firearm?
Regardless, I love the fact that once again, technology beats the ignorance of lawmakers.
Regardless, I love the fact that once again, technology beats the ignorance of lawmakers.
The 80% thing is an American thing and done because the buyer can complete the receiver and isn't required to register the firearm(varies state by state). In Canada to the best of my research it's either a receiver or it's not and upon being a receiver it better be registered if a restricted firearm.They will most likely determine that if all the parts are there even if disassembled it's a receiver,kinda like arguing that collection of parts isn't a SMG because it still needs assembly
Eric
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A 30 round mag, in pieces, isn't a complete mag. That being said a guy in BC was convicted of having a prohibited device as he had all the parts to make a complete prohibited, unpinned mag.
Given that example, having all the pieces for this lower, but just not having them bolted together isn't much different. It isn't like you need a machine to machine the last 20% together.
It isn't even technology, this is just basic design and ingenuity on the part of the designer. But it certainly does beat the limitless ignorance of those who wish to restrict freedoms.
Mark
There is a generic FRT number so homemade AR type firearms can be registered.
A number of members of this forum have registered their homemade rifles.
Registrations have been issued without inspection by the SFSS, because the AR is an established design. BUT, photographs of the completed receiver are required, including the trigger box. The cavity for the trigger mechanism must not be able to accept an auto sear. Semi auto receivers are milled in such a manner that an auto sear cannot be readily installed.
This design is going to fail on this issue. The box is wide open.
It is one hole away from being a machinegun receiver.
A number of members of this forum have registered their homemade rifles.
Registrations have been issued without inspection by the SFSS, because the AR is an established design. BUT, photographs of the completed receiver are required, including the trigger box. The cavity for the trigger mechanism must not be able to accept an auto sear. Semi auto receivers are milled in such a manner that an auto sear cannot be readily installed.
This design is going to fail on this issue. The box is wide open.
It is one hole away from being a machinegun receiver.
Wrong! There is all kinds of case law in Canada showing that a thing is what it is, not what it can be. There was a case a bunch of years back where a guy got caught with a disassembled silencer. The court ruled it was simply the parts of a silencer and not a silencer and so he was acquitted.
The interesting thing about this bolt together AR lower is not what happens when it is bolted together. Its how the law would look at it when it is not bolt together. Canadian firearms law was written to make the receiver "the firearm" so that the firearm did not simply disappear from the law when it was disassembled. The law was not written to accommodate a receiver that itself could be disassembled. Thus this AR lower really would simply disappear from the law when it was disassembled because no single portion of the receiver is deemed to be the firearm.
It is entirely different. Your magazine example is not correct because the body portion of the box mag was a single formed part, to which the other bits would simply be assembled. If you want to compare to this AR lower then the magazine would need to be composed of 5 flat plates which would have to be bolted together in order to form the magazine body. Does anyone think the courts are going to start convicting people for having a couple of flat bits of metal in their possession?
A parallel situation to the one in Suputin's post is the situation with respect to lock, stock and barrel muzzleloading firearms. There is no definition under the law as to what constitutes the receiver.
The prints for this screw together design have been around for quite a while. I am not aware of anyone making and attempting to register one of these in Canada.
I suspect that if these parts started to become available, a legal definition of status would emerge very quickly.
The prints for this screw together design have been around for quite a while. I am not aware of anyone making and attempting to register one of these in Canada.
I suspect that if these parts started to become available, a legal definition of status would emerge very quickly.
These drawings have been around for a long time. I remember seeing a version that a guy made out of flat sheets of delrin he trimmed from a cutting board.
And this is the interesting part. No single bit is considered the receiver which is in turn considered the firearm. Unbolt it and you have a collection of parts, not a firearm.
True. The CFC has considered muzzle loading firearms only as a whole as they are seldom encountered as bits. The manufacturers typically stamp info onto the barrel but that doesn't change the fact that the barrel is an uncontrolled part by law.
Another parallel is the Sten MK2. The law says the receiver is the gun but the original serial numbers were stamped on the magwell. So the RCMP then went on to claim that it is the serialized part and thus the magwell which is the receiver and thus the firearm. This of course ignores the fact that the magwell can be removed from the Sten receiver and the gun can be loaded and fired just fine without its magwell. IMO this is the mother of all stupidity as demonstrated by the firearms bureaucracy in this country.
It would be interesting to have the parts but instal them on other things in your house. Bolt parts of it to a lamp or to your workshop shelving in inconspicuous ways and just keep your mouth shut about it. The only way your ever going to get in trouble is if your caught with them assembled. Legal or not, the police are not going to start searching every home in canada to find small bits of aluminum. I see this as an SHTF back up plan. Anyone who build one and heads out in the bush with it is mentally challenged and probably shouldn't have guns at all.
Or, get really crafty and assemble the parts in a DIFFERENT way so they are used as a different item. Again. A lamp for instance. If they could be assembled in a different configuration to serve a different purpose only you would know. That would be cool. Look at my nice desk lamp (that is also an AR lower if I take it apart and re-assemble,it differently)... Think, transformers.
Or, get really crafty and assemble the parts in a DIFFERENT way so they are used as a different item. Again. A lamp for instance. If they could be assembled in a different configuration to serve a different purpose only you would know. That would be cool. Look at my nice desk lamp (that is also an AR lower if I take it apart and re-assemble,it differently)... Think, transformers.
