AR-180B Return

Ar180shooter said:
That's a good point too. Making a new lower out of aluminum would most likely require a new FRT number, and based on RCMP decisions as of late, it would be deemed a prohibited variant of the AR180.
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I really can't see how a change in material would change the classification, as long as the design and specs are the same. A mm is a mm and an inch is an inch, regardless of if it's wood, steel, or plastic.
 
I'd buy another in a heartbeat. The cracked/broken lower issue really was overblown. As stated by others, it was pretty much limited to a bad batch, and to abuse due to owners slamming them open. If people are really that worried about it breaking, Stormwerkz now sells an aluminum pivot repair kit.

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ThrowBack said:
The problem is guys buy 180B's thinking they are buying a non-restricted AR-15 and when they realize that they are NOT AR-15's after shooting them a bit they get all down on them. I agree with cr5. The rifle is what it is: "lightweight simple battle rifle that is 100% reliable, is easy to clean, and accurate enough to compete against any of the current non restricted offerings we have access to now." sums it up exactly. I am probably one of the very few Canadian shooters that actually has a restricted 180B. Silly you ask? Maybe it is. But I don't care what others think. I have 2 other non-restricted ones that fill the hunting/farm/Crown land shooting need perfectly. I got the restricted one because I like the look of the original 3 prong flash hider and it includes the bayonet lug. I have a folding stock from Stormwerks on it and the original heat shielded handguards and that makes it about as close to the original 180 as you're ever going to get. The other reason I bought it was because it was very cheap on the EE compared to it's more common non-restricted brother. I do 99% of my shooting at the range anyway so the restricted classification isn't an issue for me.
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No gun is 100% reliable...NO gun.
 
andrew3081 said:
No gun is 100% reliable...NO gun.
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Mine had about 1000 rounds of 55gr dirty bird without a single failure of any kind when I sold it. Definitely not a torture test by any stretch but it was as good as any semi auto I've owned.

Did your rifle have a lot of problems? Or are you just another one of the guys that heard from a guy that read it on the internet somewhere?

And to the guys that mentioned there is no parts support. Armalite never took parts off it's website and Wolverine has always had some parts available on their website. I've never heard of one breaking though so I'm not sure how much demand there is for parts.
Armalite was also replacing any broken lowers for free so support has always been available even though the rifle was discontinued.
 
Ar180shooter said:
That doesn't mean it can't be made with a slightly longer barrel to compensate for that, plus as it is currently out of production, any revival would likely be aimed at the Canadian market for a good portion of the sales.
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I hope so, but Armalite will have to recognize a demand. The American SBR rule is 16" and the original AR18/180 Bbl length was I believe 18" so no good for us.

The AR18/180 was a reliable, proven design off of which a bunch of other rifles were based. Unfortunately it was overshadowed back in the day by the AR15/M16.

Don't get me wrong, I love AR15's - but DI only.
 
IF marstar was selling them for $800 new......it would have the same impact as the CQ ...used guns would drop in price over night LOL !!
 
lone ranger said:
IF marstar was selling them for $800 new......it would have the same impact as the CQ ...used guns would drop in price over night LOL !!
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Why would they sell them for $800? We will never see anything for the same price as the US. I have no idea why so many people can't understand this.
If a disposable piece of Chinese crap like the T97 is worth a $1000 then the AR180B is easily worth $1500.
 
I see no reason that the polymer lower could not continue to be used, providing they reinforced the breakage prone areas properly.

I shoot my buddies 180B every now and then, and it is a real pleasure to pack around and fire, nice light rifle with good accuracy potential with the right optics.

I'd be all over buying one if they produced a Canadian version and came in between $1,000 - $1,200, which would likely be a fairly fair price if they solved the couple of issues and made a special Canadian run.
 
I don't care what gun it is and I dont care what it's made of. Could be plastic could be cheese, doesn't matter because the more guns in Canada the better!

But seriously If they were to "modernize" it a bit with a rail and maybe a metal lower I'd consider it. Look what guys pay for xcr's and tavors (myself included) if they could make it all metal and modern and keep it around $1500, I think they'd sell quite well. But what do I know Id probably buy it after watching a couple YouTube vids and putting it in my head that I need it.
 
cr5 said:
Why would they sell them for $800? We will never see anything for the same price as the US. I have no idea why so many people can't understand this.
If a disposable piece of Chinese crap like the T97 is worth a $1000 then the AR180B is easily worth $1500.
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How is a t97 more ''disposable'' than any ar ?

Also, what if i told you that you pay premium for american pieces of crap ? (Remington cough cough)
 
cr5 said:
Try to find parts or warranty service for your Norinco. Nuff said.
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(would be easy for parts, through North Silva, as for the warranty, they screwed thousands of their costumers washing their hands about a defect that is on ALL 2013 T97. For this, i'd say F North Silva.)

Try to find parts for a valmet. Or a warranty.

By your standards its a disposable piece of crap right ?

Parts and warranty is a factor among many, can't be that simple.
 
Rick911 said:
How is a t97 more ''disposable'' than any ar ?

Also, what if i told you that you pay premium for american pieces of crap ? (Remington cough cough)
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How is a t97 more disposable then any ar? The t97 has a barrel life of 6000 rounds. Most ar's would just be getting broken in.

from the manual
• Service life of the rifle is 6000 rounds
• The rifle is designed to feed 5.56x45 ss109 ammo but may fire 5.56x45 m193.
• Rear sight is calibrated for 1,3,400 yards.
• Rate of Fire: 40 rounds per minute.
 
Haven't they been talking about this for couple of years now? the biggest reason they haven't go ahead with it, is because there just too many AR in US in the same pricing category these days.
 
Rick911 said:
(would be easy for parts, through North Silva, as for the warranty, they screwed thousands of their costumers washing their hands about a defect that is on ALL 2013 T97. For this, i'd say F North Silva.)

Try to find parts for a valmet. Or a warranty.

By your standards its a disposable piece of crap right ?

Parts and warranty is a factor among many, can't be that simple.
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Comparing warranty and parts availability of a milsurp rifle that was designed in the 70's and discontinued in the 80's is a little different than a new production rifle built specifically for the Canadian market.
You wanna try comparing apples to apples? Or do you just like to talk out your backside bashing a rifle you don't know much about just because it has a polymer lower. In case you haven't noticed there are a lot of rifles out there that use polymers extensively. Ever heard of HK? Or are they no good either because they use polymers in their rifles?
You think a metal lower won't break? Take your AR and push out the rear pin and let it fall open from the weight of the barrel slamming the bottom of the forend onto the front of the magwell a few times. You will break the lower.
The bad batch of polymer lowers were replaced free of charge to the owners, even the ones that broke their rifle from abuse.
 
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